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Is MSF really that useful?

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Let me put it to you this way Jason. I've taken a bunch of riding schools, and a lot of the things that the pros tell you are "advanced" skills, or "special techniques" are actually addressed in the BRC. It's just a matter of what you are willing to get out of it, and whether you can recognize those skills/techiques/tips/nuggets of wisdom as such.

There are rules that students are asked to adhere to on the range that are in large part for their own safety, and which people generaly focus on when they have negative things to say about the course. It is what's outside the safety rules, in the coaching, and in meeting the objectives of each and every exercise, where you can get a lot more out of the BRC.


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Listen to Bap!

He's the first person to really address an important issue here, and that's what you put into the class and how much effort you apply on nailing the techniques.

I fence, and the following is a scenario I see CONSTANTLY at my Salle.

Maestro shows a group of beginning to intermediate students a particular sequence... Some students just halfheartedly imitate his motion, some goof off and make very little attempt, some are decent fencers, but simply put nothing more into the exercise but rote mimicry thinking they "have it down"

Without prior warning, Maestro will call someone forward after many MANY repetitions of the form. He then calls engarde, and even informs them the exact type of offense he is going to execute, and to counter with the technique they just practiced... Even with everything laid out and preannounced, the students are comically clumsy or even fall on their asses in the face of a determined attack.

He then returns the student to the line and says "Shall we continue?" The "YES!" that follows is quite a bit more serious than at the start.

You see the secret is not to just "breeze" by, but to perform with precision and confidence. If the excercise is "easy" to you at the MSF class, then do it faster. Or turn your head MORE, or brake smoother, or try to do the excercise with zero mistakes, or make the u turn in a smaller area etc etc...

I can guarantee you that, like in fencing, if you can perform the drill with PERFECTION on your own, then when faced with a real oppoent, or on the street with a motorcycle, your technique when faced with the unknown will probably only be "passing"... but that's better than someone who doesn't work on the foundations of skill and simply crashes, or is killed.

On the street, its never about "advanced" skill, its always about "basic" skills...

Stefan
 
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I CALL :bs

This is what the OP wrote in his BUSA/14 thread:

"Hey everyone I'm new to the forum. I just got my M1 and am trying to decide between the Kawasaki ZX14 and the Suzuki Hayabusa. I am leaning towards the Hayabusa because it looks better but in terms of maintenance, dependability and performance, they're pretty evenly matched, right?

Michael"

WTF would he be asking about MSF? Am I missing something here? Things he's saying in this thread contradicts what he says in the Busa/14 thread. If "Michael Steinberg" is so financially sound, then what would $200 matter anyways (this is if he's actually considering on taking MSF for the sake of learning something even though if he already has his M1 like stated above, that he must be such a good rider that he put his 300lbs. butt on a bike small enough to actually to the whole circle thingy in the DMV test and actually pass it.)?

Troll.

"Michael": seriously dude. Find something better to do with your time. Writing these retarded threads really makes you look pathetic.
 
I CALL :bs

This is what the OP wrote in his BUSA/14 thread:

"Hey everyone I'm new to the forum. I just got my M1 and am trying to decide between the Kawasaki ZX14 and the Suzuki Hayabusa. I am leaning towards the Hayabusa because it looks better but in terms of maintenance, dependability and performance, they're pretty evenly matched, right?

Michael"

WTF would he be asking about MSF? Am I missing something here? Things he's saying in this thread contradicts what he says in the Busa/14 thread. If "Michael Steinberg" is so financially sound, then what would $200 matter anyways (this is if he's actually considering on taking MSF for the sake of learning something even though if he already has his M1 like stated above, that he must be such a good rider that he put his 300lbs. butt on a bike small enough to actually to the whole circle thingy in the DMV test and actually pass it.)?

Troll.

"Michael": seriously dude. Find something better to do with your time. Writing these retarded threads really makes you look pathetic.

Right after he made that comment about the Hayabusa looking better than a ZX-14, I closed the book on his logic :laughing :teeth

Stefan

p.s. Lucky star... What in the HECK is going on with the cat in your Avatar! :laughing Is he biting a finger? Vienna Sausage? I can't tell! :)
 
If the excercise is "easy" to you at the MSF class, then do it faster. Or turn your head MORE, or brake smoother, or try to do the excercise with zero mistakes, or make the u turn in a smaller area etc etc...

I understand what you are trying to get at, but please, please do not do an exercise faster. That is a recipe for getting asked to leave, or worse yet, a crash.
 
take out the reference to speed, and I'm all for what Stefan said ;)
 
I don't know about y'all but I'd say let him be. He came into the forum not to seek any assistance in regards to training but more a baiting post for y'all to get all fired up and we or most of us ;) are just feeding his need. We are not going to change his mind nor he ever had an opinion in the first place. I prefer LuckyStar's post myself. I smell a troll.
 
I CALL :bs

This is what the OP wrote in his BUSA/14 thread:

"Hey everyone I'm new to the forum. I just got my M1 and am trying to decide between the Kawasaki ZX14 and the Suzuki Hayabusa. I am leaning towards the Hayabusa because it looks better but in terms of maintenance, dependability and performance, they're pretty evenly matched, right?

Michael"

WTF would he be asking about MSF? Am I missing something here? Things he's saying in this thread contradicts what he says in the Busa/14 thread. If "Michael Steinberg" is so financially sound, then what would $200 matter anyways (this is if he's actually considering on taking MSF for the sake of learning something even though if he already has his M1 like stated above, that he must be such a good rider that he put his 300lbs. butt on a bike small enough to actually to the whole circle thingy in the DMV test and actually pass it.)?

Troll.

"Michael": seriously dude. Find something better to do with your time. Writing these retarded threads really makes you look pathetic.

And there's no attorney listed with the state bar in n.calif named Michael Steinberg.
 
Hey, too many pages to read, but had anyone said..

TRACKDAY!!! Ride with some pros, lead follow, and learn some shit if you are really good. Or not. Learn some shit. Everybody learns, and has huge fun at the track.
 
I don't think that taking a novice rider out on the track is a good idea.
 
hell yes!! not to be rude but, why do you think the mods have a sticky for it!!
 
I don't think that taking a novice rider out on the track is a good idea.

Depends on the instruction.


Practicing fast?

How fast can you flick a bike into a turn?

As fast as your skills let you.....

I wouldn't practice that on the street. On the track, that's another story......

and good instructors.
 
Definitely take the course you will learn a lot, you can ask them if they will let you use your busa :p:laughing
 
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