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Karate or Boxing?? (for my son)

My daughter is 5 and she participates in boxing cardiovascular work out at bay area boxing in Belmont. She loves it, no sparring.
It's not a kids class my wife is actually in the same class with her
The instructor breaks down the combinations and helps with the fundamentals I see he takes his time to teach my daughter the basics.
It's good discipline and workout for her.
 
My thoughts as well, its why im more leaning towards boxing. I give all the mma guys their due respect n all, some are amazing on the ground. But throwing/takin a punch goin toe to toe, ehhh, not too impressed. A good boxer will never let an mma guy close enough for a takedown without gettin lumped up n possibly ko'd first.

I think plenty of good boxers have had thier asses handed to them by good mma fighters...

I dunno, I've been in plenty of street fights as a young one and most ended up the ground one way or the other.

That said, your kid is not even 4 yet. Karate will probably be more fun and have more kids close to his age.
 
another vote for Judo, learning how to fall is a great skill, Judo has the discipline you want instilled in him and throwing someone into mom earth can end a fight real fast.
 
Judo, Muay Thai, Boxing...All three have served me well at one point or another defending myself. Nothing like learning collar chokes with a Gi and then trying them on your friends in the school yard! :party
 
Lil man is 3.5 yrs old, big, muscular, fearless, n strong as fuck. Hes gonna be in sports once old enough, but i also want him in some type of self defense/fighting class.

I have some boxing training, and of course ive been teachin him things here n there, but i want him around other kids for the social aspect as well. I love boxing, but i really admire the self discipline n almost meditative side of karate. So, im kinda torn which one to do. Hes ready n willing for either.

What say you barfers, any insight or experiences?

Thanks in advance....

What do you want him to get from it? If its all spiritual blah blah then go with karate. Its great for kids and adults. If you want him to be able to defend himself then put him in boxing. Learning boxing first imo is the best thing for a kid.

Why are people comparing martial arts from within the cage? WTF people, I don't care about cage with rules. This is the street, poke the eye, kick the nuts and then do whatever you gotta do. Gracie would never survive on the street because as soon as he puts someone on the ground he would find out how a knife feels.

Furthermore I don't think Krav Maga is kid friendly. It's the flavor of the month martial art imo. Next up Systema!
 
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Jujitsu if you have to choose.


that being said., boxing has more "fighting" but at the expense of repeated head blows. do you wantg your developing kid getting smashe din the head over anmd over?


I would choose karate between the two, citing boxings head trauma as the number one factor. in addition, the possible philisophocal natur eof karate (if you can find a traditional place) are very good.

fights rarely are technical standups. if a quick jab doesnt stop someone, it goes to the ground. even rudimentary BJJ or JJ will beat most people
 
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I'm only going to suggest judo.


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What do you want him to get from it? If its all spiritual blah blah then go with karate. Its great for kids and adults. If you want him to be able to defend himself then put him in boxing. Learning boxing first imo is the best thing for a kid.

Why are people comparing martial arts from within the cage? WTF people, I don't care about cage with rules. This is the street, poke the eye, kick the nuts and then do whatever you gotta do. Gracie would never survive on the street because as soon as he puts someone on the ground he would find out how a knife feels.

Furthermore I don't think Krav Maga is kid friendly. It's the flavor of the month martial art imo. Next up Systema!


Haven't you been training for like a year tho? :laughing:twofinger


Just busting your balls. But you say philisophical stuff like a bad thing. And btw real karate with a tourney background does wonders. Just ask machida
 
Haven't you been training for like a year tho? :laughing:twofinger


Just busting your balls. But you say philisophical stuff like a bad thing. And btw real karate with a tourney background does wonders. Just ask machida

LOL Kev you are the best! I'm about to test for lvl 5 which means I am a big bad intermediate you SOB!!! :) Karate isn't a bad thing at all and for someone young it probably is the best thing. I remember my TKD days when I was a youth. I really enjoy the spiritual side of most martial arts however I wanted to speak about boxing more so then karate.
 
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Lots of great info n insight, very much appreciated.

Even tho yes, ive seen sone boxers get their asses handed to em in the cage by mma guys, that doesnt equate to real world street/schoolyard scenarios. I personally have ZERO ground training, and ive beat the dogshit outta numerous "blackbelts" on the street.

I might be completely wrong, but ill take Mosley over Gracie in a street fight any day.

Im reading up on judo n a few other martial arts now.

Keep the info comin!!!:thumbup
 
As someone who has a spent a lot of time with Judo, Jiu Jitsu, and Wrestling I am gonna suggest:

SAMBO

great place to jump off into the other 3 disciplines. Plus I always loved using their leg lock techniques and sacrifice throws.
 
No matter what you choose, make sure to teach him: There is always someone badder...
 
Lots of great info n insight, very much appreciated.

Even tho yes, ive seen sone boxers get their asses handed to em in the cage by mma guys, that doesnt equate to real world street/schoolyard scenarios. I personally have ZERO ground training, and ive beat the dogshit outta numerous "blackbelts" on the street.

I might be completely wrong, but ill take Mosley over Gracie in a street fight any day.

Im reading up on judo n a few other martial arts now.

Keep the info comin!!!:thumbup

If it makes any difference my uncle, whom taught me judo and jusitsu (3rd deg black belt in the firmer, 5th in the latter) was a bouncer for years as a full time job in addition to running his school. And taught police combat situations for years.

My personal opinion is if you were goin build a fighter from the ground up you take an amatuer wrestler as your starting point, and teach I'm boxing and jujitsu

the thing abotu figgting, from a pure POV is that FIGHTING always favors someone who LIKES to fight. I/E someone who gets off on it, someone who doesnt mind being punched, someomne who might in fact LIKE GETTING PUNCHED. you can take karate or judo but never be a pure fighter, in the sort of likes violence kind of way. there will always be guys who just naturally can handle business. but when you train those guys, watch out.as you said, youve handle dmore than your fare share of blackbelts. I can tell you from personal experience that more than one "tough guy" was handled by people I know who train.

the truth is, americanized martial arts dont really teach full on contact. they dont teach you in many ways what its like to be in a fight, or just know what it is like top be punched in the face. for a variety of reasons (its a business, liablity, just the natural softening of things). so many people take it but never really get into a FIGHT. this is fine. not all martial arts are about getting in a fight, theres so much more to it than that. that being said, if you want your kid to know how to FIGHT, look for trophies or example of the schools tounrament success. find a gym that spars, heavily. judo is great for this because thats all you do in judo, just get thrown around constantly. boxing is great fo rthis (except I take issue woth the head oriented natur eof it and th ehealth effects long term). even taekwondo is very geared towards sparing.

My primary training came from one on one instruction from my uncle, daily insruction that I many times didnt even want. he kicked the shit out of me constantly lol no move was taught, until you know what it felt like, so you were aware of the pain you were inflicting. so you knew what was up. when he moved away, finding a school was very diffacult as the way I was used to training was very alien compared to most schools. oddly enough I ended up in TKD, simply for the fact that I could fight, every day.most of what I learned in TKD ill never use, hell, I was so frustrated at times because of what I wasnt allowed to do in olympic style TKD, but the sparing was key, an hour os sparing, 4 days a week on top of training
 
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No matter what you choose, make sure to teach him: There is always someone badder...

This.


While I like the idea of getting kids into something early on, I would wait until he's 5 before really getting him into something heavy and making him a "fighter." I taught at a gym (tkd and hapkido) that took 4 year olds. Those classes were a more disciplined Gymboree. If anything the kids learned motor skills and balance before they even picked up the self discipline part.


To the effectiveness part, no matter what you train in if you are in the right mindset, you will be a tough opponent. What I gained from it more than anything was the ability to keep myself calm and avoid the fight. Later in life while working as a bouncer I enjoyed the joint locks.
 
karate first, boxing second. easier for someone who knows karate to pick up boxing moves. reverse is next to impossible without starting at the beginning.
 
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in the last few months my son, 11, has started taking tae kwon do classes. he's a bit squirrely, and doesn't like contact.

the first sparring class was horrifying, shocking, and hilarious from my end. he was obviously surprised as well. he's certainly punched other kids, and might be able to give a FIFA soccer player lessons on how to draw a red card, but hitting and GETTING HIT without negative consequence was and to some extent might remain an alien concept to him. it is changing him, and he likes it even though he doesn't like to get hit.

anyway, we started at the karate place next door. it was one of the chain deals and i felt like i was getting hustled (you have to buy their sparring gear for instance, at roughly 2x the price of the free market "so we know what quality it is" my ass)

we also tried the local only TKD outfit, that had lots of good reviews and some family experience as well. WAY better. LOTS of kids and smiling parents... so i guess my only input is to find a place you like going to, and maybe the discipline isn't that important.
 
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