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Leaked Apache Video

Robert R1 said:
And yes, an American soilder's life is worth much more to me than an Iraqi civilian or a civilian of any nation we're engaged with.
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I can't agree with this at all. When it's OK to sacrifice innocent lives to protect soldiers the last shred of nobility of soldiering is lost.
 
So is Barf right winged? I just sent my buddy this link and he called BARF right winged. I know most are idiots so him and I agree there but I thought of BARF as well a liberal hippy...:rofl
With a trunk load of dead hookers that is....
 
Robert R1 said:
Better to be cautious than careless.
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You have interesting view of caution.

Remind me... What are we trying to accomplish there? Is it preventing Sadam from launching a chemical or nuclear attack? Is it to oust a brutal dictator? Are we looking for WMDs? Are we attempting to preserve freedom in Iraq? Are we there to prevent a civil war?

If you want to protect the soldiers, bring them home. If you want to accomplish something noble in Iraq, how does shooting civilians help to achieve those ends?
 
My900ss said:
If Americans don't want our soldiers in Iraq then vote a politician into office who will pull them out.
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Give me a list of politicians that will do so, and will 100% do what they promise when they win the election. Until I can be convinced that a politician will do exact what they campaigned they were going to do, I will not believe that voting makes a difference.
 
Sidewalk said:
Give me a list of politicians that will do so, and will 100% do what they promise when they win the election. Until I can be convinced that a politician will do exact what they campaigned they were going to do, I will not believe that voting makes a difference.
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Good point, the lying bastards cant be trusted to do anything they promise.
 
Burning1 said:
If you want to protect the soldiers, bring them home. If you want to accomplish something noble in Iraq, how does shooting civilians help to achieve those ends?
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"We had to destroy the village to save it."
 
It's easy to be an armchair QB from the comfort of your home. It's easy to make quick decisions when you have the time to replay them over and over from a video.

One guy with a camera was going to take pictures of these guys shooting down a chopper. If you were in the chopper what would you do? Take that chance?
 
if i saw a dude trying to get a clear shot at my helicopter with an RPG i'd shoot him and all his bastard friends too!

edit: anyone in the way.. SORRY!
 
Robert R1 said:
It'd be a huge shame we didn't use our full military capabilties to ensure the safety of our troops.

Having air support clear the area before the ground personnel move sounds like a good plan to me.

And yes, an American soilder's life is worth much more to me than an Iraqi civilian or a civilian of any nation we're engaged with.
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This!

If your a journalist in a war zone you are asking for something like this to happen. There have been plenty of American journalist killed in war zones.

If you play with fire your going to get burned. If you are going to put your safety and trust into a fighter pilot from another county who is constantly fighting your fellow Irqais, IMO your just plain ignorant and I have no sympathy for you.
 
jiffy said:
It's easy to be an armchair QB from the comfort of your home. It's easy to make quick decisions when you have the time to replay them over and over from a video.

One guy with a camera was going to take pictures of these guys shooting down a chopper. If you were in the chopper what would you do? Take that chance?
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What puzzles me is how rarely anyone puts two and two together and concludes that since mistakes can be made in the heat of battle maybe we shouldn't send our guys there if we don't have to.

No Apache gunner has ever mistakenly targeted a civilian in American airspace.
 
Aluisious said:
What puzzles me is how rarely anyone puts two and two together and concludes that since mistakes can be made in the heat of battle maybe we shouldn't send our guys there if we don't have to.

No Apache gunner has ever mistakenly targeted a civilian in American airspace.
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Similar to the other "we never should have been there posts," this has become apparently true and believable. Hindsight is 20/20. However there still exists a problem, that military personnel do not determine when it is proper to exit this conflict; unfortunately it's up to politicians and high brass.

Let's all put are collective imaginations together and try to gain a sense of this war from those that are there; no one gives a fuck about what's happening here at home aside from friends, family, and finances. Politics, debates, protests, and the like go to the wayside since, while deployed, there are more pressing issues that need to be immediately addressed. Deploy, do you jobs, come home.
 
B-Cuz said:
Hindsight is 20/20
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It was clear that the war was a horrible error before it started. Making excuses only prevents people from learning. We'll do it again, precisely because people won't take responsibility for their decisions.
 
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Burning1 said:
You have interesting view of caution.

Remind me... What are we trying to accomplish there? Is it preventing Sadam from launching a chemical or nuclear attack? Is it to oust a brutal dictator? Are we looking for WMDs? Are we attempting to preserve freedom in Iraq? Are we there to prevent a civil war?

If you want to protect the soldiers, bring them home. If you want to accomplish something noble in Iraq, how does shooting civilians help to achieve those ends?
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At no point have I attempted to discuss the "war." I'm stating my stance on the incident in the video and nothing more. If you want to scream about the justification of war and what not, feel free but no need to quote me about one thing and then spin off into something completely different for your rebuttal.
 
B-Cuz said:
Similar to the other "we never should have been there posts," this has become apparently true and believable. Hindsight is 20/20. However there still exists a problem, that military personnel do not determine when it is proper to exit this conflict; unfortunately it's up to politicians and high brass.
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When I've heard a general speak about the war, I've generally been pretty impressed by what they have to say. To me, it seems like the generals are somewhat hand-tied by what the politicians decide... They have the opportunity to advise, but not to pull us out.
 
Aluisious said:
That attitude is why people make the same mistake over and over again. It's a lame excuse. It was really obvious that the war was a horrible mistake long before it started. If you don't understand this you have not learned anything.
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Again, hindsight is 20/20 and you're reinforcing the statement. The main belief that was spoon fed to the populous was the threat of WMDs and people ate it up; me included. As time went on and nothing was produced, that was when I realized that it was all bullshit. It was not my call whether to enter or not, I didn't have any say in the matter, I just did what I had to do and I did so with pride. As others have pointed out that being an armchair QB with the amount of information that has come from Iraq is the easiest of tasks and I agree with it. Lecture me after you have served.
 
jiffy said:
It's easy to be an armchair QB from the comfort of your home. It's easy to make quick decisions when you have the time to replay them over and over from a video.

One guy with a camera was going to take pictures of these guys shooting down a chopper. If you were in the chopper what would you do? Take that chance?
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I would know that a couple guys with AKMs and RPG-7s do not pose the slightest threat to my helicopter gunship, which I am operating far beyond the range of their weapons and slightly beyond the range of their eyes and ears.

It's easy to be an armchair cheerleader and pretend to know who or what the guys planned to shoot and pretend the AH-64 crew was acting in self-defense.
 
B-Cuz said:
Again, hindsight is 20/20 and you're reinforcing the statement. The main belief that was spoon fed to the populous was the threat of WMDs and people ate it up; me included. As time went on and nothing was produced, that was when I realized that it was all bullshit. It was not my call whether to enter or not, I didn't have any say in the matter, I just did what I had to do and I did so with pride. As others have pointed out that being an armchair QB with the amount of information that has come from Iraq is the easiest of tasks and I agree with it. Lecture me after you have served.
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