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Leaked Apache Video

kevin 714 said:
correct...seems to me that covering it up means there was something fishy. had it been an honest and tradgic mistake, seems the people would have said solemly that they made a mistake, people got killed. you heard them on the video talking about shooting those kids like it was no big deal. I KNOW guys who have kiled innocents by mistake, and it still haunts both of them to this day. shit happens in war, but to cover it up basicaly shows that the guys were out to do wrong
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No, I believe it was an honest mistake...

Nothing fishy there.

They just didn't want to cop to it.

So the request goes ignored, someone reviewing the material finds out what happened...and has to leak it because they can't get approval to release it.
 
2strokeYardSale said:
I would know that a couple guys with AKMs and RPG-7s do not pose the slightest threat to my helicopter gunship, which I am operating far beyond the range of their weapons and slightly beyond the range of their eyes and ears.

It's easy to be an armchair cheerleader and pretend to know who or what the guys planned to shoot and pretend the AH-64 crew was acting in self-defense.
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They pose a threat to the troops that the Apache was covering. But, you may have not noticed that whole conversation between the pilot and ground forces.
Beyond the range of an RPG...please.

You go ahead and risk your ground forces and your flight crew.


Your cheerleading goes both ways. You pretend there was no threat. The pilot and crew stated otherwise. The video also showed a potential threat.

Wars were fought better and had our support when the camera crews weren't there.

Mistakes in war happen every day.
 
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jiffy said:
They pose a threat to the troops that the Apache was covering. But, you may have not noticed that whole conversation between the pilot and ground forces.
Beyond the range of an RPG...please.

You go ahead and risk your ground forces and your flight crew.


Your cheerleading goes both ways. You pretend there was no threat. The pilot and crew stated otherwise. The video also showed a potential threat.

Wars were fought better and had our support when the camera crews weren't there and thus our country had no idea what was going on, didnt have to see the results of their actions, didn't have to worry about the lives destroyed over our proxy wars, wars for hegemony and economic interests, had no idea or connection to the things done in our name around the world that have nothing to do with our freedom or defense.

Mistakes in war happen every day, which is why we should only go to war when we have to.
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jiffy said:
Wars were fought better and had our support when the camera crews weren't there.

Mistakes in war happen every day.
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LOL. Enjoy your ignorance and keep waving your little flag when they tell you to.


Marlowe said:
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Wow, every single one of you has missed the point.

Mistaking a camera for an RPG...okay, that happens. Within their ROE, shit happens.

Covering it up after the fact?

That's a problem.

When they blow off FOIA requests for 3 years...it's clearly deliberate...because someone aware of it, had to be the one to leak the video.
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THIS.
 
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How many of you watched the full 40 minute version? I just finished it and you can clearly see that these people are holding bags. also if they were indeed planning to attack a nearby squad theres no way in hell they would be walking casually in plain sight. even if they did hear the apaches circling. To believe that you would have to believe they were tactical enough to hijack a plane or bomb a target but dumb enough to walk in plain sight.

but the point of this Video is not to justify their actions but to expose their unwillingness to own up to them.

put yourself in the shoes of the crawling survivor what would you do in that situation. I know I'd call my buddies, tell them I've been shot, and i need help. makes sense to me.

But aside from all that everything that took place. The fact still remains that a little girl was shot that day and theres no justification, no spin, or no denying that that fact.

as for the hellfires into the building just before each shot you can clearly see men walking casually EMPTY HANDED. There is no way around it.

We can sit around and justify or condemn it doesn't matter. That 40 minutes of video may give you a glimpse of what is going on over there but its not the full story and If it holds any universal truth it is that War Brings death where old men talk and young men die. but if you are a veteran you already knew that. Maybe someone should ask what are we getting from this that we didn't have ten years ago?
 

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Well I my be a little late with my assessment but, I saw 2 AK's, 2 camera's and what could be a RPG. It looks as though a camera was pointed at the Helicopter.
Note to self....in a war zone, never point anything at an Apache. :rolleyes
 
Shouldn't that video be in the fail thread.

This is why I keep my wars contained to video games. The guys in the choppers were having WAY too much fun killing people.
 
Dove said:
That's a coping mechanism for doing their job.
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there job being indiscrimintly killing people?

i thought there job was to defend our nation?

the coping mechanism for killng people in war is that its defending your country and family from being killed.
 
Those soldiers didn't wake up and say..."let's go find some people to kill today."

Those soldiers woke up and were told where to kill people today.

There is a significant difference.
 
Aluisious said:
:laughing
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So your rebuttal was to correct my typo. Thanks. :)

SuperMike said:
You love to throw that word, "ignorant" around.

:hand YOU're being the ignorant one. Not everyone was for the war. We were bullied into it by our own government.
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"You are dumb. No, you are!"

We all supported the war on terror back in 9/11/2001, approval ratings were high and people applauded to "Shock and Awe". No one applauded a few years later when we did not find WMDs, did not kill Bin Laden, did not really solve any major anti-terror issues except killing a few here and there, soldiers started dying, people are still getting blown up, and then we started hindsighting.

Sorry, can't pull out now, we can't let those and soldiers die for nothing and throw away everything we've invested into this war, we're going to stay and find new reasons to stay. -US Government
 
jiffy said:
They pose a threat to the troops that the Apache was covering. But, you may have not noticed that whole conversation between the pilot and ground forces.
Beyond the range of an RPG...please.

You go ahead and risk your ground forces and your flight crew.


Your cheerleading goes both ways. You pretend there was no threat. The pilot and crew stated otherwise. The video also showed a potential threat.
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I was responding to richt, who I named and quoted in my response, who asked, "So you're implying that we should just leave those terrorists alone with their AKs/RPGs just because they don't pose a threat to our particular helo at that particular time?" (emphasis added)

Damn, you are either stupid or dishonest or both.

Wikipedia on RPG-7 said:
Hit probabilities

A US Army evaluation of the weapon gave the hit probabilities on a 5 meter tall, 2.5 meter wide panel moving sideways at 4 meters per second.[5]

Range Percent
50 m 100%
100 m 96 %
200 m 51 %
300 m 22 %
400 m 9 %
500 m 4 %
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M230 HEDP specs said:
Approximate time for flight and approximate ballistic drop

for 30mm ammunition (HE fired from hover)

Range to Target
(meters)
Time of Flight
(seconds)
Ballistic drop
(mils)

1,000
2
15

1,500
3.7
32

2,000
5.8
60

2,500
8.6
100

3,000
12.2
160
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Apache cannon range = 6X RPG range
 
SuperMike said:
Fixed.
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I suppose you and aluisious are the only exceptions of being stupid.:twofinger

You guys were both right! We should of never gone to war despite the fact of 9/11 and how majority of us supported it at first, and they should have never shot at the obvious camera crew in a hostile warzone holding obviously only cameras and tripods and were obviously friendly. I realized you guys were 100% correct after the fact.

:ride
 
Were you living under a rock in 2002-2003 when the war protests were going on or do you just chose to forget everything that happened before breakfast and make up facts as you go along?

Pop quiz: who said "it's like the Pottery Barn, if you break it you bought it."
 
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