:( More dogs attacking.

[CHICKenstrip]

You did not covey wrong info. It is wrong to back down because, perhaps, the breed does not go along with what other members says it should. No one felt any other wrong from anything else going on in the world until something to do with a mixed breed dog. I think people need to re-evaluate their lives.

I was momentarily emotional and felt bad for those involved, it makes me sad to see ongoing dog attacks and children/people being hurt.

and as Ernie pointed out, it also makes me sad to see the other horrors of society, people dieing, raping, pillaging, etc.

which is why I chose to shield myself from reality as much as possible.

I am occasionally accosted by the news on Yahoo and sadly this story caught my attention before I could make my next click.

* BTW It is still a pitbull mix - boxer and pitbull mix. How on earth does that change anything? Boxer-Pitbull, Pitbull-Boxer...

edit- I cpied the first post from their site. It said PITBULL.
they have since changed it to what you said up there.
My apologies for conveying wrong info.

 

[afm199]

You did not covey wrong info. It is wrong to back down because, perhaps, the breed does not go along with what other members says it should. No one felt any other wrong from anything else going on in the world until something to do with a mixed breed dog. I think people need to re-evaluate their lives.

It is a shame and a tragedy a child was permanently scarred and I respect anyone who states their feelings.

As far as Pit Bulls being demons, there just are not any statistics that show they are somehow much worse than other breeds. I totally agree they are a popular breed for thugs, and that is a shame, it makes all Pit Bulls look bad, as Dobermans and German Shepherds did when I was a boy. There were pits around then, but they were not the feared dogs.

And I apologize to all who took my comments as critical of their caring.

 

[CHICKenstrip]

No offense taken, but please note, I tried not not make mention of a particular breed. If that starts to be a common denominator, then maybe it's a problem. I would feel the same if it was any other breed.

It is a shame and a tragedy a child was permanently scarred and I respect anyone who states their feelings.

As far as Pit Bulls being demons, there just are not any statistics that show they are somehow much worse than other breeds. I totally agree they are a popular breed for thugs, and that is a shame, it makes all Pit Bulls look bad, as Dobermans and German Shepherds did when I was a boy. There were pits around then, but they were not the feared dogs.

And I apologize to all who took my comments as critical of their caring.

 

[Tudd's Wife]

The significance of the type of dog in the story was secondary to what happened to the human beings. As many have mentioned here, 'dangerous' breeds come and go. That is not why I was drawn to the details of this sad event.

When I read this story, I could think of nothing but how the grandmother put her life on the line, sustaining horrendous injuries herself in trying to save and protect the baby. I have a granddaughter close to that age, and can only imagine the horror of being in such a situation. I was shocked and saddened by this story in particular because I could relate to it from a grandmother's perspective----a perspective I've only come to recently understand and appreciate.

The news of this local tragedy certainly does not minimize the fact that there are troubles and adversity in every neighborhood, city, country and region of the world. My thoughts and prayers go out to this San Jose family as they recover from their physical and psychological wounds.

 

[DESMOnic]

It is a shame and a tragedy a child was permanently scarred and I respect anyone who states their feelings.

As far as Pit Bulls being demons, there just are not any statistics that show they are somehow much worse than other breeds. I totally agree they are a popular breed for thugs, and that is a shame, it makes all Pit Bulls look bad, as Dobermans and German Shepherds did when I was a boy. There were pits around then, but they were not the feared dogs.

And I apologize to all who took my comments as critical of their caring.

I agree with you 99% in other posts but I do not agree about you opinion on pitbulls. People who own them tend to defend them and looking for statistics to prove the pits are not dangerous, but every couple of months, in bay area alone, someone gets serioulsy injured by these types of dogs. I am sure there are lovely pit bulls outthere but perhaps they have not been trained enough how to behave around people or other animals and someone pays the price

 

[afm199]

I agree with you 99% in other posts but I do not agree about you opinion on pitbulls. People who own them tend to defend them and looking for statistics to prove the pits are not dangerous, but every couple of months, in bay area alone, someone gets serioulsy injured by these types of dogs. I am sure there are lovely pit bulls outthere but perhaps they have not been trained enough how to behave around people or other animals and someone pays the price

Quote from an english study

However, while banning the pit bull might lower the number of human deaths, such a ban would probably not reduce the number dog bites in any significant manner. After the United Kingdom banned pit bulls in the 1990s, a study showed that the number of dog bites remained the same even though the number of pit bulls had steeply declined. (Study cited in B. Heady and P. Krause, "Health Benefits and Potential Public Savings Due to Pets: Australian and German Survey Results," Australian Social Monitor, Vol.2, No.2, May 1999.)

 

[Jakemate]

I agree with you 99% in other posts but I do not agree about you opinion on pitbulls. People who own them tend to defend them and looking for statistics to prove the pits are not dangerous, but every couple of months, in bay area alone, someone gets serioulsy injured by these types of dogs. I am sure there are lovely pit bulls outthere but perhaps they have not been trained enough how to behave around people or other animals and someone pays the price

That's sensationalist media. Chihuahua bites don't sell, pitbulls do.

Also, if you go to a shelter, there are more pit/pit mixes than any other dog. A lot of that has to do with the lack of responsible ownership. When you get an over abundance of a popular breed and an abundance of irresponsible owners, (who lead to the over breeding), there is no shortage of news stories.

Hell, Rott's are the #2 black listed breed, (as far as homeowners insurance goes), but they are not as popular. Probably because of their size. But they have a bad rep as well.

I feel we've done a great job of training and disciplining ours. The few Rott's that are in our neighborhood are equally as disciplined.

The most undisciplined and problematic dogs in our neighborhood are pits. I don't blame the breed, I blame the owners. The dogs don't get socialized or put in their place. The dogs spend too much of their formative time thrown in a backyard, with little interaction or walking/socializing time.

 

[greggargubby]

we need tiered canine licensing.

 

[afm199]

Pits are strong dogs. When they do attack they are capable of doing a LOT of damage. I acknowledge that. There are new vicious dog laws in effect that punish vicious dog owners, and the standard of vicious dog is now quite low. I hope they are having an effect on irresponsible owners. Ten years ago Michael Vick would have gotten a $500 fine instead of 3 years in jail. Which he deserved. ( I know that is not a fine for having vicious dogs, it is a fine for trying to make them vicious and killing them. He is a perfect example of how Pit Bulls are improperly trained)

 

[racercutie]

It's interesting how the media changes the story.
I first heard about another "Pit Bull" attack and thought, "Oh great, not again".
Then the dog was actually not a pit bull at all, but a boxer mix:
Sad, nonetheless.
And why, if an a dog owner has an aggressive dog with prior convictions, allow their dog to pull this sort of shit?

Dec 31, 2007 6:53 pm US/Pacific
Dog Attacks San Jose Toddler, Grandmother
SAN JOSE (CBS 5 / AP / BCN) ― A toddler and her grandmother were hospitalized with major injuries after they were attacked by a family pet identified by authorities as a boxer mix.

Authorities say 20-month-old Anna Leigh Cinco was hospitalized after being bitten on the chin by one of two dogs that were being fed at a home in San Jose Sunday night.

The child's grandmother -- 48-year-old Elizabeth Cinco—also suffered extensive injuries.

According to San Jose Police Capt. Barry Stallard, responding units found Elizabeth Cinco the child and her grandmother in a parking lot at the corner of Tully Road and Capitol Expressway.

Apparently the dogs first attacked the baby and Elizabeth Cinco intervened, saving her granddaughter's life, Stallard said. Ana Leigh suffered injuries to her chin while Elizabeth Cinco had bites on her ear and neck, and chunks taken out of her right leg. Both were taken to Valley Medical Center.

The attack happened at a home at 3811 Quimby Road, Stallard said. After the attack Elizabeth Cinco tried to drive to the hospital, but due to the seriousness of her injuries had stopped in the parking lot.

The 4-year-old boxer mix involved in the attack was euthanized Monday morning, Stallard said.

The other dog, which did not participate in the physical attack, did not belong to Elizabeth Cinco's sister and was not euthanized, according to Stallard.

 

[TheKiwi]

Ten years ago Michael Vick would have gotten a $500 fine instead of 3 years in jail. Which he deserved. ( I know that is not a fine for having vicious dogs, it is a fine for trying to make them vicious and killing them. He is a perfect example of how Pit Bulls are improperly trained)

And yet all but one of his dogs are being rehabilitated and readied for adoption, ten of them in the bay area by BAD RAP.

 

[CHICKenstrip]

afm199, I meant no personal offense to you in my posts last night. I guess my only point was that I don't care what breed of dog it was, but that, once again, became the only point of the thread. I also didn't like the downplaying of the incident by throwing out what manner of other ills are occurring all over the world. There is always something worse happening on a global scale; this little girl's family probably doesn't care all that much about those things right now. As for your quote below, I'm not unusually dense, but how on earth does it support not banning the breed? Less death doesn't matter if amount of biting attacks stay the same? Me, I'd rather get bitten and not die, thank-you.

Quote from an english study

However, while banning the pit bull might lower the number of human deaths, such a ban would probably not reduce the number dog bites in any significant manner. After the United Kingdom banned pit bulls in the 1990s, a study showed that the number of dog bites remained the same even though the number of pit bulls had steeply declined. (Study cited in B. Heady and P. Krause, "Health Benefits and Potential Public Savings Due to Pets: Australian and German Survey Results," Australian Social Monitor, Vol.2, No.2, May 1999.)

 

[aciurczak]

Quote from an english study

However, while banning the pit bull might lower the number of human deaths, such a ban would probably not reduce the number dog bites in any significant manner. After the United Kingdom banned pit bulls in the 1990s, a study showed that the number of dog bites remained the same even though the number of pit bulls had steeply declined. (Study cited in B. Heady and P. Krause, "Health Benefits and Potential Public Savings Due to Pets: Australian and German Survey Results," Australian Social Monitor, Vol.2, No.2, May 1999.)

But what are the fatality statistics from that same study? A dog bite <> a fatality. And for that matter a dog bite doesn't have to mean a terrible mauling either. One study shows 230,000 bites for every 1 fatality. But half of the fatalities in the US & Canada are related to Pit-bulls & Rotts. Said another way, if Pits and Rotts didn't kill people, 150 people wouldn't be dead over that same period. Said yet another way, if those Pits and Rotts were instead golden retrievers or dachsunds, those same 150 people still wouldn't be dead. These breeds are WAY WAY WAY over-represented for fatalities in just about any study one cares to review. Congratulations to all of the mature, safe, caring owners of dangerous breeds. It takes hard work, patience, and may very well be a worthwhile endeavor. But the average schmo is an idiot, just look around in public sometime. And they, therefore the general public, would be well-served to ban private ownership of such dogs, as quite a few municipalities have already started to do.

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog Attacks 1982 to 2006 Clifton.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf

 

[afm199]

Fatal dog attacks in the US are about 20 a year average. Last year was an exception, only nine I believe.

Make of it what you will

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/datawh/statab/unpubd/mortabs/gmwki10.htm

This link will tell you about every death in the US by cause.

Anorexia and Bulemia kill about fifty times as many people as dogs.

One argument could be that one death is too many and all dogs should be put to death. However cat scratch fever kills every year.
Another argument would be to appoint a government agent for each human being to accompany them from birth to death to assure their safety. I am sure a few would appreciate that.

 

[fawndog]

Way to downplay

Not down played, just put into perspective.

The grandmother is an incredible person for acting so fast and selflessly.

 

[Idontdotrix]

In case you don't grasp the point, the media love Pit bull attacks, murders, and car jacking. Any idiot can report on them, any mis truth can be reported, and there is no need to waste expensive media coverage on important topics when yellow journalism and sleaze have so many supporters. Why should the media even report on more important issues if you are happy to roll in the hogwash?

If it bleeds, it leads.

five of my akitas mounted a group attack today on a BARFer and his wife. it was tragic, all that laughing and cuddling- adding insult to injury four of the five assailants were under the age of 8 weeks and their own mother participated. probably won't make the news since the victims were able to walk out on their own without an ambulance.
yep, better ban everything with a rep for being vicious (does my X qualify???? I'll volunteer to put him down myself).

shit happens to good people on a daily basis- life is risk.

 

[Arminius]

FYI, This is one of the two dogs that attacked them.

 

[ScorpionKing]

Not down played, just put into perspective.

Really? Is that what you call it.

The grandmother is an incredible person for acting so fast and selflessly.

Exactly!. To me the story isn't about the breed of the dog, but the heroic actions of the grandmother, and that's newsworthy to me. Why is it that everytime someone post a story about a pit bull attack, no matter how vicious, pit owners automatically go on the defensive, play down the attack and post the famoust last words of how sweet their pit bulls are and how they wouldn't hurt a flea? Why can't we just take the story for what it is - a dog attack and not another media attack or propaganda on the pit bull breed. I know all about the negative reputation thing. I have two rotties who I love to death and think are the sweetest dogs on earth. If this dog was a rottweiler, the last thing I would be doing is defending the breed in this thread. People got hurt and it's not the right place and time, plus how do you defend a breed that just mauled innocent people. Instead, I would express symphathy to the injured persons, praise the grandmother for her heroic acts and hope that they put down the dog so it doesn't hurt anybody else.

Yeah, all breeds bite, but the truth to the matter is that these are powerful breeds (pits, rotties, etc.) that are dangerous when they attack and can inflict serious damages. People need to realize that.

 

[Papi-C]

 

[yella600rr]

Yeah, all breeds bite, but the truth to the matter is that these are powerful breeds (pits, rotties, etc.) that are dangerous when they attack and can inflict serious damages. People need to realize that.

Most people do. The responsible dog owners do. Unfortunately there are enough irresponsible dog owners out there that create problems.