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[Bluenote]

I agree with you 99% in other posts but I do not agree about you opinion on pitbulls. People who own them tend to defend them and looking for statistics to prove the pits are not dangerous, but every couple of months, in bay area alone, someone gets serioulsy injured by these types of dogs. I am sure there are lovely pit bulls outthere but perhaps they have not been trained enough how to behave around people or other animals and someone pays the price

Just as folks with a GSD , Lab , JRT or myriad and sundry breeds
will tend to defend them. And GUESS WHAT? *Nobody* has to "look"
for statitistics , the stats are as close as the ATTS web site. And I'd
like to see a valid cite for your "every couple of months" claim.

And you're " sure there are lovely pit bulls out there"? Damned straight
there are and folks such as yourself who base their opinion solely on
media hyperbole and the absolute bullshit trumpeted about by groups
like the HSUS give short shrift to *ever* one of those dogs and the
owners thereof , you types likewise ignore the myriad positive examples
of the breed involved in conformation showing , obedience , weightpull
agility , Schutzhund , search and rescue , therapy work etc.etc. in
favor of focusing solely on the media shitstorm.

And YES I do own APBTs , have shown , weightpulled and competed
in obedience and agility for better than thirty years and done rescue
with the primary emphasis on the bull terrier breeds and American Bulldogs
for 25 years.

And of course this will now descend into the usual conflagration wherein
individuals with little or no direct experience with the breed will come
forward to bleat all the same old sad oft-repeated myths about the breed
and attempt to vilify any and all who own the breed.

And of course these will be some of the folks who would scream the
loudest if anyone dared to utter to them " motorcycles are XYZ and
therefore ALL motorcyclists are suspect.




B.

 

[aciurczak]

Just as folks with a GSD , Lab , JRT or myriad and sundry breeds
will tend to defend them. And GUESS WHAT? *Nobody* has to "look"
for statitistics , the stats are as close as the ATTS web site. And I'd
like to see a valid cite for your "every couple of months" claim.

ATTS is a crock. It's like taking the average scores from teens taking their 10 minute driving test, see how many accidents occur during the test (uh, zero), and extrapolating it over the next 60 years for how many accidents the teens will have. Nobody cares that a pit or a rott gets an average score of 85% in a mock test of aggression. They do care when such a dog attacks a human in the real world. And those stats are also readily available; and no mangling of the statistics can make Pits or Rotts out to be anywhere near as safe to humans as just about any other breed of dog.

And of course these will be some of the folks who would scream the loudest if anyone dared to utter to them " motorcycles are XYZ and therefore ALL motorcyclists are suspect.

Apples and oranges. When my riding a motorcycle affects your safety, let me know. It's not like if I don't train my motorcycle well and forget to lock the gate, it becomes a lethal threat to your child.

 

[Bluenote]

ATTS is a crock. It's like taking the average scores from teens taking their 10 minute driving test, see how many accidents occur during the test (uh, zero), and extrapolating it over the next 60 years for how many accidents the teens will have. Nobody cares that a pit or a rott gets an average score of 85% in a mock test of aggression. They do care when such a dog attacks a human in the real world. And those stats are also readily available; and no mangling of the statistics can make Pits or Rotts out to be anywhere near as safe to humans as just about any other breed of dog.
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You my friend don't have the proverbial clue as to what you're
attempting to set yourself up as an expert on. And in point of absolute
FACT the APBT and Rotties are quite a lot safer statistically than many
breeds that folks of your ilk tend to hold up as paragons of virtue.

Furthermore the passage you authored illustrates just how little you
actually know of the actuall ATTS exams and how they're conducted
and that you're equally dismally unaware of what the exact object of
said test is.

No go on ahead and come back at me with some more hyperbole
as in your reply above. 'Course you *could* attempt to come at me
with something in the way of FACT , but you won't , you'll merely
bleat the party line as pounded into your cranium by the media and
the HSUS.

As I stated in my previous post , folks like you will IGNORE any and
every positive example of the breed even when said examples are
put right in front of their faces.

And in closing "apples and oranges" my everloving ass , ya tripped
when you sidestepped there. * Prejudice * is prejudice PERIOD. Whether
it's prejudice based upon a persons form of transportation or prejudice
based on *any* other criteria , such as what sort of breed of dogs
you might own.



B.

 

[aciurczak]

I see, I'm learning. When I call something "a point of *absolute* fact", and I capitalize FACT, then I simply must have the truth on my side.

I'm not setting myself up as an expert, I'm just trying to set myself aside from the bully dog apologists, whose arguments are supported by nothing other than "my dog is great with my grandkids, it's all the other owners who have a problem". "Oh, and about those attack and fatality stats by the CDC or any other reputable study? Chewbacca Chewbacca Chewbacca Chewbacca!"

The ATTS was founded to give dangerous breed owners some ammo to objectively compare aggression across breeds. And good news, by those tests, a pit bull is exactly as aggressive as a golden retriever. OK Sparky. And the earth is flat, screwing your cousin is good for the gene pool, and washing your hands after you crap is for sissies. If only the ATTS results correlated in any meaningful way to human attacks or fatalities (which of course they don't), perhaps they would carry more weight with those who aren't already blindly convinced that pit bullls are just big fluffy bunnies that have just been getting a bad rap. ATTS is accepted as useful by just about nobody other than folks working the "Pits are great" angle. (i.e., it's not given any weight by The American Kennel Club, The American Humane Society or The American Veterinary Medical Association).

To lighten our mood a bit, I'd suggest you take a peek over here. No, the author won't change anyone's mind, but he at least does frame this in a way that made me chuckle out loud, perhaps it will you as well.

 

[Idontdotrix]

and just think of the tens of millions of family pets that DON'T hurt anyone their entire lives.

http://www.thedogpress.com/Columns/Malcolm/Akita.Child.Incident.08V1.htm
try that on for perspective

using some of the arguments on this thread we could substitute the proposed bans on breeds to guns, bikes, alcohol or just about anything else. I wish stupid, irresponsible people - of all types- were required to wear signage identifying them. "keep this person away from sharp objects!" or "not permitted to operate a motor vehicle of any type larger than moped".
you know what it takes to get one of my dogs? the hoops you have to jump through? the application process, the home visits, the contract? I wish, oh do I wish, everyone did the same but its an uphill battle against the uneducated and uncaring.
I don't sell my dogs to people who think they are extensions of their own (short) penises or figure they can use them for BS purposes- I have standards, I follow up on my kids and god help you if you mistreat them bc I am ten times more dangerous than my dogs will ever be.
you ban one breed, another 100 will follow until there are no dogs.

 

[greggargubby]

You my friend don't have the proverbial clue as to what you're
attempting to set yourself up as an expert on. And in point of absolute
FACT the APBT and Rotties are quite a lot safer statistically than many
breeds that folks of your ilk tend to hold up as paragons of virtue.

Furthermore the passage you authored illustrates just how little you
actually know of the actuall ATTS exams and how they're conducted
and that you're equally dismally unaware of what the exact object of
said test is.

No go on ahead and come back at me with some more hyperbole
as in your reply above. 'Course you *could* attempt to come at me
with something in the way of FACT , but you won't , you'll merely
bleat the party line as pounded into your cranium by the media and
the HSUS.

As I stated in my previous post , folks like you will IGNORE any and
every positive example of the breed even when said examples are
put right in front of their faces.

And in closing "apples and oranges" my everloving ass , ya tripped
when you sidestepped there. * Prejudice * is prejudice PERIOD. Whether
it's prejudice based upon a persons form of transportation or prejudice
based on *any* other criteria , such as what sort of breed of dogs
you might own.
B.

translation:

look, fuckhead, my dog is better than yours and there ain't no arguing this, regardless of what your inbred family thinks. furthermore, we devised the test that determined that my dog is better than yours and you and your goddam schnauzer failed it, so stfu. you can continue to argue this point, but you will fail because i said so, so, again, stfu. also, you lack the ability to see reality as i have called it, so, again, stfu. to surmise, i love you, but you hate me for my SUV, not my hound.

the end.

 

[Idontdotrix]

here's some more for you stat lovers....

http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm

I'm not even going into moto-related stats..

your 1 yr odds of being fatally bitten by a dog is 1 in 10,876,179
by comparison, any other mammal your odds are 1 in 3,813,725 should we ban all mammals?
for those of you caught between a rock and a hard place in this conversation, your odds of death from being caught between objects is 1 in 2,191,469, more than 5 times more likely to happen than a dog!
and, just for you BARFers, the odds of death in a single year from inhalation of one's own gastric contents (I couldn't resist) is a whopping 1 in 778,931.

eat right, exercise daily and die anyway. live in a bubble or quit bitching, no one ever said life was safe.