MOTOGP 2012 Round 1 : Doha, Qatar. 4/5-4/8 2012

[kevin 714]

You mean .18 of a sec. One bad brake point.
You have 25% more displacement, don't you think there should be a bigger gap. And fastest laps were still on the 800s. Check it out. Stoner's fast lap was faster laster year.

Exactly. Nicky is doing the same stuff. I hate to say it, but maybe Val is done.

more like the duc hasnt improved at all. if we assume hector doesnt run rossi off track, he finished right around 6th-7th. same area. barbera is doing the same as well, despite being a one year veteran now, on a better team, and on the newer bike

rossi may very well be in a serious funk now. I mean dude straight up admitted he wanted to come in. he didnt even want to be there. thats not lack of skill, thats lack of drive. of passion. old guys always stick around cause they cant let go, and their passion outweights their skill. they dont lose drive...

 

[stangmx13]

more weight + diff tires + more displacement - same fuel limit = no real improvement in race time

 

[budman]

Maybe Rossi is ready to DRIVE..?

Very sad to hear he was ready to come in.. you got to have some fun and get some satisfaction out of the sport to be at the top. Although I am sure the $$$ he gets should give him some damn drive.

 

[Kurosaki]

On Speed, WTF was that twitter shit in the corner. Man that was pissing me off

I pay extra for SPEED. They need to quit with the commercial breaks

You guys need to just ante up and get a gp.com video pass or start torrenting because you already know Speed's broadcast is going to be less than stellar.

But you guys (a lot of people in general, not just you) keep watching Speed year after year after year, mad.



There are solutions to your problem. Try one.

 

[JakesKTM]

I know this has been said, but I honestly think we are seeing Rossi dealing with two big issues. 1) A bike that does not fit his style 2) and motivation to change it or ride it like it's stolen in the wake of an incident that cost him serious mana.

I love Rossi, but I also think there is little time for him to remain down. He didn't even look the same before the race as he usually does.

 

[jacksprat]

Yay, had this been a 800 race no doubt Stoner would have checked out. 1000's add of tire wear is what was needed.

I think he just used up the tires, early.

Except when you look at the sector times as the race goes on, if you watched from the point Lorenzo started pulling back the advantage, Stoner would lose the time in S1&2, then gain some back in the last two, but by the end, he was just staying equal to Jorge in the last two. The first and second sector are all stop and start, while the third and fourth are more flowing.

Totally supports his arm pump statement. He also has said since the beginning of testing that tire wear is not an issue at all. He completed FP1,2 and 3 on two sets of tires, both hard, and was still setting really fast laps

Absolutely NO evidence to support tire wear problems. Plenty to support arm pump. When he has had tire wear problems in previous years he never has a problem saying so. He doesn't like Bstone, so he would say they were at fault if they really were. Come on guys, errant speculation in the face of facts is unnecessary.

 

[deanzaZZR]

In 2007 they were racing during the day, right? I can't remember what time of the day they were racing, but I would wager that the track was (too damn) hot to make easy comparisons.

 

[sidewazzz]

Absolutely NO evidence to support tire wear problems. Plenty to support arm pump. When he has had tire wear problems in previous years he never has a problem saying so. He doesn't like Bstone, so he would say they were at fault if they really were. Come on guys, errant speculation in the face of facts is unnecessary.

Tire wear in general. That has been one of the biggest topics during testing and practice. It may or may not have any play in this race. I was stating that the 1000's bring tire wear back into the picture, when before it wasn't much of a problem.

 

[Clem Kevin]

You mean .18 of a sec. One bad brake point.
You have 25% more displacement, don't you think there should be a bigger gap? And fastest laps were still on the 800s. Check it out. Stoner's fast lap was faster last year.

What were the fuel limits before? I'm sure with the same amount of fuel the 1000's would have a much larger gap.

 

[clutchslip]

Absolutely NO evidence to support tire wear problems. Plenty to support arm pump. When he has had tire wear problems in previous years he never has a problem saying so. He doesn't like Bstone, so he would say they were at fault if they really were. Come on guys, errant speculation in the face of facts is unnecessary.

Well, actually there was more than one incident to support tire wear. If you re-watch the race, watch for these two: (1) His outside leg comes off and is flying in the air. (2) He is sliding and almost highsides. Two very uncharacteristic things to see from Stoner. But, as I have said before, I believe he is straight forward, so I believe what he tells us. If he says it is jerk pump, then I am going with it. But, it looks like tires.

 

[jacksprat]

Tire wear in general. That has been one of the biggest topics during testing and practice. It may or may not have any play in this race. I was stating that the 1000's bring tire wear back into the picture, when before it wasn't much of a problem.

Tire wear was a concern for the Ducati, Yamaha and some of the CRT bikes, nobody on the Honda said anything about tire wear and I can't remember RDP saying much about it either. Neither Dani, Stoner or either of the sat bikes.

It has nothing to do with the 1000's and everything to do with the construction of the new rear tire, which is much softer in every aspect.

 

[sidewazzz]

Tire wear was a concern for the Ducati, Yamaha and some of the CRT bikes, nobody on the Honda said anything about tire wear and I can't remember RDP saying much about it either. Neither Dani, Stoner or either of the sat bikes.

It has nothing to do with the 1000's and everything to do with the construction of the new rear tire, which is much softer in every aspect.

You're saying added torque and HP isn't going to effect wear on tires more? You pretty much just listed half the field already.

I get they are new tires and do fall off faster than last years.

 

[small-g]

If Rossi is out of Ducati they need to put that other fast Aussie on - Troy Bayliss.
At least they are back to 1000cc and Troy can still ride that bike fast!

Edit. Oh yea last time he raced a motogp bike he won (and it was a duc)!

Bayliss didn't do much when he was in GP. Sure he won his wilcard race in Valencia, but the two years he was with Ducati and a year with Honda, his best results to show for were four podiums (all 3rd places).

In my opinion, Ducati will be much better if they take on a young rider from Moto2 or WSBK the way they did with Stoner in 2007.

 

[FXCLM5]

i said it last year, vale should have retired on the yamaha, developing another bike from scratch for ducati is just going to make him become capirossi, a champion faded back to a bottom feeder.

you guys need to watch the eurosport feeds, the commentators actually travel with the motogp teams to all the races, eat drink and talk shit with all the riders, team members, engineers and the top guys at honda, ducati, yamaha.

they have way more indepth knowledge of what the electronic packages are doing and not doing for CRT,

how much (NON TESTING) stoner did vs everybody else, over the testing season, stoner refused to test the bike for a long periods of time, stoner had no data to show how a 22 lap race pace would effect the tires, stoner being stoner said fuck it i can ride it, i know wtf the problem is and i can ride over it.

did you guys see what stoner said to lorenzo in pitlane after qualifying in 2nd?

he basically said:

jorge you got lucky, tomorrow will be a close race, but bitch im coming for you, you pulled that lap from your ass to get pole.

jorge just smirked and looked the other way.

arm pump.... my ass, you guys really gonna fall for this, i expect arm pump bs from a rookie, NOT FROM the reigning world champion... common now.

 

[Kurosaki]

i said it last year, vale should have retired on the yamaha, developing another bike from scratch for ducati is just going to make him become capirossi, a champion faded back to a bottom feeder.

you guys need to watch the eurosport feeds, the commentators actually travel with the motogp teams to all the races, eat drink and talk shit with all the riders, team members, engineers and the top guys at honda, ducati, yamaha.

they have way more indepth knowledge of what the electronic packages are doing and not doing for CRT,

how much (NON TESTING) stoner did vs everybody else, over the testing season, stoner refused to test the bike for a long periods of time, stoner had no data to show how a 22 lap race pace would effect the tires, stoner being stoner said fuck it i can ride it, i know wtf the problem is and i can ride over it.

did you guys see what stoner said to lorenzo in pitlane after qualifying in 3rd?

he basically said:

jorge you got lucky, tomorrow will be a close race, but bitch im coming for you, you pulled that lap from your ass to get pole.

jorge just smirked and looked the other way.

arm pump.... my ass, you guys really gonna fall for this, i expect arm pump bs from a rookie, NOT FROM the reigning world champion... common now.

Casey isn't known to be a liar about what happened in a race.

 

[small-g]

Well, actually there was more than one incident to support tire wear. If you re-watch the race, watch for these two: (1) His outside leg comes off and is flying in the air. (2) He is sliding and almost highsides. Two very uncharacteristic things to see from Stoner. But, as I have said before, I believe he is straight forward, so I believe what he tells us. If he says it is jerk pump, then I am going with it. But, it looks like tires.

It wasn't tire wear. There is no evidence of that. The two reasons you just listed could easily be attributed to the way Stoner rides. He slides the bike more than the others, his hangs off the bike more than the other, and given that he was having a hard time hanging on to the handlebars due to arm pump, all that characteristics get exaggerated.

 

[small-g]

You're saying added torque and HP isn't going to effect wear on tires more? You pretty much just listed half the field already.

I get they are new tires and do fall off faster than last years.

Added torque and HP don't necessarily cause the tires to wear faster just like spinning the tires doesn't necessarily cause them to wear fast. Garry McCoy proved this a long time ago.

 

[FXCLM5]

Casey isn't known to be a liar about what happened in a race.

your the reigning world champion :|, you should know everything about your arm and how it may effect the outcome of the first GP race of 2012.

you should have done your arm pump like everybody else did

i guess the reigning world champion made a rookie mistake and forgot to get his arm pump.

if you guys watched the eurosport feed, jorge made a mad charge mid-way through the race for about 1x lap he closed stoners lead from 2+ secs to about < 1.5secs, Stoner responded immediately the next lap and raised it back up to 2+ seconds.

arm pump my ass. stoner could not keep the leaders pace, so he was able to ride 98% instead of 100% because of a arm pump....

its more like, stoner thinking to himself, FUCK i should have tested out these tires on a full race distance like everybody else, now i have no fuckn clue wtf is happening in the last 20% of the race (4x laps), FUCK i need points and i cant push this tire cuz im sliding and chattering, FUCK i aint gonna throw it away and loose all my points.... and now FUCK Dani just passed me too.....

 

[sidewazzz]

Added torque and HP don't necessarily cause the tires to wear faster just like spinning the tires doesn't necessarily cause them to wear fast. Garry McCoy proved this a long time ago.

You don't see tires do that anymore because of the TC. Tires spinning alittle causes the whole carcus to heat up more, spinning it up a lot (a la Mccoy) heated the surface vs the whole tire.

Aint no body lighting up the rear like that anymore.

 

[small-g]

i said it last year, vale should have retired on the yamaha, developing another bike from scratch for ducati is just going to make him become capirossi, a champion faded back to a bottom feeder.

you guys need to watch the eurosport feeds, the commentators actually travel with the motogp teams to all the races, eat drink and talk shit with all the riders, team members, engineers and the top guys at honda, ducati, yamaha.

they have way more indepth knowledge of what the electronic packages are doing and not doing for CRT,

how much (NON TESTING) stoner did vs everybody else, over the testing season, stoner refused to test the bike for a long periods of time, stoner had no data to show how a 22 lap race pace would effect the tires, stoner being stoner said fuck it i can ride it, i know wtf the problem is and i can ride over it.

did you guys see what stoner said to lorenzo in pitlane after qualifying in 2nd?

he basically said:

jorge you got lucky, tomorrow will be a close race, but bitch im coming for you, you pulled that lap from your ass to get pole.

jorge just smirked and looked the other way.

arm pump.... my ass, you guys really gonna fall for this, i expect arm pump bs from a rookie, NOT FROM the reigning world champion... common now.

The Eurosport commentators Toby, Julian, and Neil are by far my favorite commentators because they are not boring to listen to and have great insider information about the sport. My only problem is that they make too many errant speculation during the broadcast.

I always make the time to watch both Eurosport and BBC coverages of the races. The Eurosport feed keeps me entertained and engage while the BBC team of Charlie and Steve make me fall asleep sometimes. However I have to say that often Steve or even Charlie spot on get what's actually going on during the race, what kind of problems the riders are having and able to anticipate what comes next. This is contrary to what most of the people here are saying. For this, I like the BBC coverage better.