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MotoGP question

Sane_Man said:
If the MotoGP bike has a lower seat height for example, then that would allow the bike to lean over further because of the lower CG.
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Lowering the CoG and widening the wheels will tend to *require* the bike to lean further to obtain the same cornering speed, given a set line. It will also tend to make the bike a little more nimble, and permit more greater acceleration/braking. It will not however tend to affect the maximum effective lean angle attainable on the bike - that's primarily limited by available lateral traction, and cornering clearance.
 
DannoXYZ said:
Yeah, the gap is shrinking. Next year with semi-production based engines, limited numbers of engines for the season, and less electronic-aids in MotoGP, we should see them getting closer and closer in performance.

Although we need to also compare the riders. Spies was faster on MotoGP the season after his WSBK championship. Would be interesting to see how those guys at the front rows of WSBK would do when they jump ship to MotoGP.
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u do realize that the one's that will be winning races next year will not be running "semi-production based engines", there are no more limits on electronics, and the factory winning the MotoGP championship currently is ridiculously good at making great engines last a long time. the gap isnt shrinking. with 1000cc engines in GP, the gap in QP times will grow significantly at some tracks.

if WSBK changes to a one-bike rule, some teams may have a hard time improving their setup throughout the weekend. im sure teams that get it right straight out of the box will still do well though.
 
DannoXYZ said:
Yeah, the gap is shrinking. Next year with semi-production based engines, limited numbers of engines for the season, and less electronic-aids in MotoGP, we should see them getting closer and closer in performance.

Although we need to also compare the riders. Spies was faster on MotoGP the season after his WSBK championship. Would be interesting to see how those guys at the front rows of WSBK would do when they jump ship to MotoGP.
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this isnt happening

when will people realize this
 
kevin 714 said:
significantly better riders
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I don't think this is any part of it. Because you have Spies who came from WSBK and his leaning became greater immediately. Then there's Biaggi and Checa who have gone from GP to WSBK and their leaning decreased. That right there says to me that it is all about the bikes and tires and has almost nothing to do with the riders.
 
^^ don't you have a stock market to go make easy money on or something?



motogp bikes have far superior chassis that can make use of the greatest gripping tire ever made, the bstone motogp tires. tires with so much grip ben spies admitted he couldn't even wrap his head around it. add in the best 4-6 riders on the planet pushing those tires to the limits and you have plain stupid lean angles...not to mention bikes that need to be ridden with outrageous corner speeds to achieve a fats lap.
 
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kevin 714 said:
If you already knew the answer why did you ask?
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Because I was wondering what it was about either the tires or bikes that made them able to lean more. The only thing I "knew" was that the riders had little to nothing to do with why the bikes leaned more.
 
No, I took that other dudes advice, bought high and sold low.
Ya know that don't seem like real good advise anymore, now that I'm poor.

Just yanking your chain man. My typing would look retarded if I didn't have spell check.
 
DaveT319 said:
Because I was wondering what it was about either the tires or bikes that made them able to lean more. The only thing I "knew" was that the riders had little to nothing to do with why the bikes leaned more.
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if you think the riders have little to nothing to do with why they are able to travel at those speeds that leaned over, i think you are delusional.

spies even said it himself, he still cant wrap his head around the entry speeds that stoner takes, nor even how he is able to do so...

the tools are there, the best tires ever on the fastest bikes ever, but if you cant use it, the best tool doesnt do much.
 
kevin 714 said:
if you think the riders have little to nothing to do with why they are able to travel at those speeds that leaned over, i think you are delusional.

spies even said it himself, he still cant wrap his head around the entry speeds that stoner takes, nor even how he is able to do so...

the tools are there, the best tires ever on the fastest bikes ever, but if you cant use it, the best tool doesnt do much.
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No, I mean the riders have little to do with WHY the bikes can lean so much. Yes, obviously it takes a highly skilled rider to be able to utilize that bike's ability, but the bike being able to lean over that much is not dependent on the rider.
 
DaveT319 said:
No, I mean the riders have little to do with WHY the bikes can lean so much. Yes, obviously it takes a highly skilled rider to be able to utilize that bike's ability, but the bike being able to lean over that much is not dependent on the rider.
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then yes you are right.

the bikes themselevs are essentially designed around ridiculous cornering(well except the duc :laughing). its the specific nature of the 800's, and the bstones tires. tire grip levels that approach the absurd (and according to JB the reason for processional racing, not the 800s or TC)

I know rossi riding a r1 with bstone tires last year was said to have broke the wsbk lap record within a few laps...
 
kevin 714 said:
then yes you are right.

the bikes themselevs are essentially designed around ridiculous cornering(well except the duc :laughing). its the specific nature of the 800's, and the bstones tires. tire grip levels that approach the absurd (and according to JB the reason for processional racing, not the 800s or TC)
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Thank you, that's what I was getting at.
 
its actually funny about biaggi. His critiscm for years was that he stayed in 250's to long, and didnt adapt his style to the hard charging 500's or the beasts that were the original 990(probably the beastliest bikes ever). he never changed his style to reflect the bikes and stuck to his 250 "smooth as glass" ways. and now he would probably have been right at home in motogp and wining quite a bit.
 
TTTom said:
Yet for all the better riders, stickier tires and lighter weight in MotoGP, comparing Q times at a favorite high speed track like Philips Island, a combined grid would have featured one superbike and two GP bikes on the front row and two superbikes, one GP bike on the second row. Both Q sessions held in decent weather.

Considering the cost difference and the fact that the 8 or 10 best riders in the world are in GP, there's not a lot of difference there.
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You're not comparing lap times of GP bikes after they ditched qualifiers, are you?
 
kevin 714 said:
its actually funny about biaggi. His critiscm for years was that he stayed in 250's to long, and didnt adapt his style to the hard charging 500's or the beasts that were the original 990(probably the beastliest bikes ever). he never changed his style to reflect the bikes and stuck to his 250 "smooth as glass" ways. and now he would probably have been right at home in motogp and wining quite a bit.
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Maybe there'd be more punching as well.
 
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