My dog got attacked yesterday

[billswim]

I'm a little late to the thread but I'll put in my two cents andyhow. MCARB glad your dog is relatively unharmed. In my experience, the dogs straining on the leash are more likely to bite/charge. They're stuck in fight/flight and can't flee and they know it. MOST(not all) dogs bite/attack out of fear. Learn to read the body language of more dogs and you'll have better luck predicting which ones are uncomfortable and likely to attack.

That being said, I've had a number of pit bulls, all rescues, and each had their triggers. I avoid dog parks and anyplace a fair number of dogs are likely to be. Too many unpredictable situations and potential for careless owners. I keep my dog interaction with known dogs or at least one on one with new dogs.

The human owner is usually the biggest predictor in what to expect from their dog. If the human looks to be in control and calm, they likely are.

Hate for one breed over another based on looks and TV reports vs hard facts and statistics? Wouldn't that be considered dog racism? Whatever I'll take 99% of all dogs over 99% of humans any day.

 

[eric9877]

glad your dog is ok.

It's rarely the dog that is the problem its the owner- out of ignorance or apathy, sometimes even arrogance. That is why I refrain from the snap the f'ing dog's neck response. But if you happen to pepper spray the dog and some of the overspray hits the owner, well that's just one great twist of life...

 

[corndog67]

As I mentioned, I've got German Shepherds. I got a rescue GSD (2-3 years old, 90 lbs.) right after my other one died. He was cool, for about 6 weeks, then one night, right after I got home from work , he went off and tried to kill my wife as she walked by him where he was sleeping. She fed him every night. She took him to training. She was alone with him every night. Took her down by the wrist, bit her on both wrists, arms, and one shoulder. I called the rescue place, and they took him back (No kill rescue org., they placed him in a more appropriate place, single person household). Their trainer told me it wasn't unheard of for them (GSDs), to kill people, but they don't get the press that pitbulls do.

We didn't have any background info on him. Now, we've got a puppy. No hidden issues.

 

[fawndog]

To answer a few questions and to keep this from turning into a anti-pitbull thread (too late I know).

1. Reaper, I don't know how the interaction started. I was walking up with my dog on leash (and our other two dogs on leash). The other couple had three dogs, the one that fought, a black lab, and a white mixed collie type. The guy was warning me about his black lab, which was off leash with the white dog. The attacking dog was on leash. I was trying to avoid the lab and evidently my dog was close enough for the other dog to attack.

Hope this helps clear up some misconceptions.

For the record I used to feel the same way about pitbulls, until I spent some time around them. look a the photo of Boomer I posted. That is a pitbull in its natural environment.

So his dog was leashed, and so were yours, did you guys try introducing them or something ? I have to walk my dog on leash, and I keep her close. I really avoid people who look laxadazical with thier dogs because mine is not always friendly.

If your dog onleash or off, runs up to us and invades our space, that's your fault.
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but my point is if sometimes people mistakenly perceive a leashed dog as safe to approach.

 

[corndog67]

So his dog was leashed, and so were yours, did you guys try introducing them or something ? I have to walk my dog on leash, and I keep her close. I really avoid people who look laxadazical with thier dogs because mine is not always friendly.

If your dog onleash or off, runs up to us and invades our space, that's your fault.
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but my point is if sometimes people mistakenly perceive a leashed dog as safe to approach.

Same here. It would probably turn out OK if you approached my dogs on leash, with your leashed dogs. Probably. But what if it didn't? Maybe one of them gave the other, the stinkeye. And one of our dogs, either mine or yours, got killed or seriously fucked up? I'll just avoid the problem altogether.

 

[Owensdad]

I have to walk my dog on leash, and I keep her close. I really avoid people who look laxadazical with thier dogs because mine is not always friendly.

If your dog onleash or off, runs up to us and invades our space, that's your fault.
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but my point is if sometimes people mistakenly perceive a leashed dog as safe to approach.

This.

 

[Raz_Diesel]

Oh i hear ya, and i wouldn't recommend it either to most people, but i know canine anatomy pretty well from working for a veterinarian for about 4 years. The spleen is a good option too because it's less protected, but a perforated liver will kill it quicker.

I'd stick the knife at the most posteriorly accessible portion of the dog's mouth and slice away with the goal of severing the masseter muscle. Doesn't matter how focused the pitbull is, it can't bite you without a functioning masseter muscle.

 

[Brokenlink]

So his dog was leashed, and so were yours, did you guys try introducing them or something ? I have to walk my dog on leash, and I keep her close. I really avoid people who look laxadazical with thier dogs because mine is not always friendly.

If your dog onleash or off, runs up to us and invades our space, that's your fault.
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but my point is if sometimes people mistakenly perceive a leashed dog as safe to approach.

No. I don't really know how it happened. He warned us about the lab and as we walked by we were obviously keepng our distance. Next thing I know his other dog was attacking. I think he may have been holding the lab and the other dog had a leash on but he wasn't holding it. When I looked up he was yanking on the leash.

 

[LikeWaah]

I'd stick the knife at the most anteriorly accessible portion of the dog's mouth and slice away with the goal of severing the masseter muscle. Doesn't matter how focused the pitbull is, it can't bite you without a functioning masseter muscle.

Yikes. What about just a blood choke? Wouldn't a RNC work on a dog? Especially if that dog is too busy holding another dog, I'd figure my chances of being able to RNC the dog unharmed would be pretty good.

Also, I guarantee that will not go down well with the other owner, not matter how much of an asshole the other dog is being.

 

[Yakoo752]

I'd stick the knife at the most posteriorly accessible portion of the dog's mouth and slice away with the goal of severing the masseter muscle. Doesn't matter how focused the pitbull is, it can't bite you without a functioning masseter muscle.

the problem with that is now you are likely giving all of your attention to the dog - what about the owner that just saw you stab his dog?

I would... nevermind what I would do to a guy that just stuck my dog with a knife...

It always sounds good when you type it

 

[sidewazzz]

You know my uncle always has the strangest advice. One time we got on the subject of a dog attack and his advice was to as crazy as it sounds....shove your hand down its throat or grab its tongue.

I mean what it the best way to break up a dog fight or attack say on person?

 

[The Reaper / mr.droopyx4]

You know my uncle always has the strangest advice. One time we got on the subject of a dog attack and his advice was to as crazy as it sounds....shove your hand down its throat or grab its tongue.

I mean what it the best way to break up a dog fight or attack say on person?

Lets do dog on dog first....

There is no "best way". Usually after all the snarling n commotion, one or both dogs will "lock" onto eachother somewhere. To most dogs, especially pitbulls, its viewed as a challenge to them. So the dog with the most drive n dedication to the "challenge" is gonna win, or in this situation, do the most damage. Because pitts were bred for centuries to withstand quitting from pain, usually pitts will simply hold on tighter and longer. To them, giving up, even if theyre in extreme pain, just isnt an option. Its just their drive n determination.

So, what you wanna do is keep them as still as possible. Its the "shaking" once locked on that does the most damage. If theyre kept pretty still, all theyre doin is clenching flesh. Ill take simple puncture holes over a torn open throat anyday. So keep em as still as possible. Next, theres a few ways....

Pepper spray- works great. Theyll release almost immediately.

Finger up the butt- as gross as it seems, it works great.

Breaking stick- no not break it over a dogs head. Its a very strong stick, that comes to a wedge at one end, similar to a flathead screwdriver. Get it wedged between the REAR teeth if possible, and pry em open.

Water- if youre carryin a water bottle, or any liquid for that matter, soda, juice, etc.... pour it in/down the dogs throat AND snout. They think theyre under water/drowning, and survival instinct takes over. Theyll release to get air.

Cover the snout/nose- sometimes, not all, if you can seal up the nasal airway it has a similar effect as pouring water down their throat.

Lighter- if youre a smoker, take your lighter and put the flame straight to their nose. Theyll release.

Use anything violence related as a last resort honestly. A lot of breeds, not just a pitbull, go into superman mode in those situations. Your punches and kicks will only make the situation worse, not better.

Ok, now, dog on human....

If you cant outrun the fucker or get to higher ground quick enough, try this....

Most dogs jump to attack a human, especially adults obviously. Right as they jump, try to time it to where you can grip the neck/scruff right behind the lower jaw bones. Hold on tight and do not let go. Its almost like grippin a poisonous snake right behind the head to keep safe from strikes. DO NOT ATTEMPT A HEADLOCK. Its too easy for a strong dog to get loose, and usually your head/face is in very close proximity.

Another defense is pretend youre playing flag football. Everytime those jaws get close and are about to chomp down, spin like youre protecting your flags or like your a ballerina. Not multiple spins, just one very quick spin while stepping away from the dog. It makes it very hard for them to grip down. And if your hands are quick enough, push them away at the same time.

Stay moving, but DO NOT BACK PEDAL. If you start back pedalling and the dog jumps for an attack, youre almost gauranteed to fall, and once you fall, its over with.

Hold the dog. Lets say the dog lunges and locks onto your arm. As long as your arm is in his mouth, his teeth are tied up n cant bite anywhere else. If your forearm is in his mouth, try n get him in a reverse choke hold, with your arm still in his mouth, and squeeze/bear hug that motherfucker to keep him as still as possible so its not "shaking". Its not a great solution, but again, ill take punctures over tears any day.

And last..... fight for your life. Punch, kick, grab a rock or something else handy, somethin. Might not do much, but its better than giving up.


Thats my advice in those situations. I understand some might say to just stand as still as possible and hopefully the dog will lose interest, however, ive never seen it work out for the individual. So, thats your choice.

Hope this helps at all.

 

[The Reaper / mr.droopyx4]

Youre creepy.

Hahaha.... my apologies, gixxergirl and I got a lil side tracked. She doesnt think im creepy!!

 

[The Reaper / mr.droopyx4]

I LOVE YOU!!!!

Let's meet someday- I have some stickers for you, or I can mail them to you.

Like i said, i love all animals, especially dogs, and ESPECIALLY pitbulls. Been around them pretty in depth since i was born. No other breed compares. Its just so fuckin sad and somewhat aggrevating how fukn ignorant n scared some people are, strictly because of tgeir misguided perceptions of a breed theyve NEVER EVEN OWNED BEFORE!!

"Eww, i fuckin hate sushi."

U ever had it before??

"No, never, but i still hate it"!!

 

[The Reaper / mr.droopyx4]

As I mentioned, I've got German Shepherds. I got a rescue GSD (2-3 years old, 90 lbs.) right after my other one died. He was cool, for about 6 weeks, then one night, right after I got home from work , he went off and tried to kill my wife as she walked by him where he was sleeping. She fed him every night. She took him to training. She was alone with him every night. Took her down by the wrist, bit her on both wrists, arms, and one shoulder. I called the rescue place, and they took him back (No kill rescue org., they placed him in a more appropriate place, single person household). Their trainer told me it wasn't unheard of for them (GSDs), to kill people, but they don't get the press that pitbulls do.

We didn't have any background info on him. Now, we've got a puppy. No hidden issues.

Very common with pure bred german shepards. You gotta remember, they breed dogs to enhance certain traits n qualities. Its not like humans. With dog breeders, the only scenario they dont really like to do is, brother-sister breeding. But mother-son, father-daughter, and any other incesty type situation is completely normal. So... it can sometimes lead to a dog thats a little... "off".

I might be wrong, but were you the first person in your household to "bond" with the german sheppard? Meaning.... were you around it, picked it up from the shelter, etc... before your wife?? If so... it saw you as his sole master. She was just tolerated. German sheppards are VERY one owner type dogs. At least the very purebred/inbred ones.

 

[Nitewaif]

If your dog onleash or off, runs up to us and invades our space, that's your fault.

All too often, this is a moot point when it comes down to it.

All it takes is one little aggressive asshole purse-yapper dog running up to your leashed dog...if your dog hurts it defending you or itself, YOUR dog is the one considered vicious. Nevermind that it was provoked or that the yapper was off-leash. All the bureaucracy sees is that your monster killed fluffy. I've seen it firsthand a couple of times. If you remember, we even had a barfer who went through this a few years ago, and his dog was taken from him and killed despite lots of support and court appeals. It was heartbreaking.


Disclaimer: before somebody gets their panties in a bunch defending little asshole purse-yappers, I am not necessarily talking about YOUR purse yapper. I am referring to people who don't train their little aggressive dogs. I like dogs more than most people.

 

[lefty]

All too often, this is a moot point when it comes down to it.

All it takes is one little aggressive asshole purse-yapper dog running up to your leashed dog...if your dog hurts it defending you or itself, YOUR dog is the one considered vicious. Nevermind that it was provoked or that the yapper was off-leash. All the bureaucracy sees is that your monster killed fluffy. I've seen it firsthand a couple of times. If you remember, we even had a barfer who went through this a few years ago, and his dog was taken from him and killed despite lots of support and court appeals. It was heartbreaking.


Disclaimer: before somebody gets their panties in a bunch defending little asshole purse-yappers, I am not necessarily talking about YOUR purse yapper. I am referring to people who don't train their little aggressive dogs. I like dogs more than most people.

I testified (on behalf of the p/b at that trial. It still makes me sick- the outcome.

This thread is VERY eye opening. I walk my two kids off leash 90% of the time. They are trained and will walk side by side with me, but this thread is making me re-think this.

I had a funny encounter with a Chew-wow-wa owner several weeks ago. We met on the trail, I told her she could pet my dogs, and she said that I could pet her dog. I slowly reached my hand out to her little dog and the POS bit me!!

It reminded me of the scene from the Pink Panther; "Sir, Does your dog bite?"

 

[hophead]

Lots of good information there Reaper!

 

[wally]

The red collar/leash is simply an invisible barrier that gets people to ask before they approach her to pet. I sit her, lay her, stay her and chin her down (she sits, lays, and puts her chin on the ground and doesn't move) before I let someone pet her. I read her body language during and if she seems comfortable, I release her to sit command.

I could see this potentially being a huge liability for you in court. If you knew your dog was aggressive enough (even if it's not, that's how it would be portrayed in court) to warrant wearing the red leash and it ended up biting someone even after the sit, lie, sit protocol, I think the right lawyer would take you to the cleaners. I hope you never find out.

 

[Raz_Diesel]

Yikes. What about just a blood choke? Wouldn't a RNC work on a dog? Especially if that dog is too busy holding another dog, I'd figure my chances of being able to RNC the dog unharmed would be pretty good.

Also, I guarantee that will not go down well with the other owner, not matter how much of an asshole the other dog is being.

the problem with that is now you are likely giving all of your attention to the dog - what about the owner that just saw you stab his dog?

I would... nevermind what I would do to a guy that just stuck my dog with a knife...

It always sounds good when you type it

True. The owner might be shocked, but if the owner failed to control their pit then they only have themselves to blame. If a pit sunk its teeth in me and won't let go and its owner cannot remedy the situation I will do what I need to in order make it out as whole as possible. Would this plan work.. no idea (never been attacked by a dog whilst armed) but it seems like the most direct attack to solving the problem of the dog's ability to bite you. Also keep in mind this was in response to someone giving the dog a liver stick. It will take a while for the dog to bleed out internaly and during that time it will still be biting you.

A severed masseter can most likely be surgically corrected and would not be fatal if prompt vet attention is recieved.

If my dog attacked someone and I couldn't halt the attack immediately I wouldn't blame the victim for defending themselves. If said victim had the pressence of mind and the mercy to halt such an attack by non-fatally injuring my dog (even if that means slicing the dogs face) I would be grateful to them. I would be greatful to them for not justifiably killing my dog.