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Ninja H2?

Burg-Mann said:
What a lot of under 25 year olds don't understand is we would have had 300hp NON turbo/super charged bikes 5 years ago if they wouldn't have limited Top speed to 186 mph in 2002.
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You're talking as if this would be a good thing...

Motorcycle manufacturers limited top speeds voluntarily in order to avoid government regulation. I'm pretty sure that having laws that limit all bikes to no more than 100 hp (which was the case in France for a while) would be a bad thing.
 
Think how many more people I could tow and the speeds at which I could tow them. :wtf :wow :laughing
 
ilikefood said:
You wouldn't be able to do that any faster on the H2 than you would on, say, a ZX-14. Motorcycle acceleration is limited by wheelies, not by the amount of power a bike has.
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i got 20 hobo dollars that says an H2R will trap at a higher speed in the 1/4 than a 14R. ET's will be closer though since the H2R will be a hand full.
 
ilikefood said:
This is seriously the ugliest looking bike I've seen in a long time, even worse than the Z1000, and that's a pretty high bar for ugly. There is not a single coherent line for the eye to follow, and no single attractive component (apart maybe from the wheels, those look pretty cool). It looks like 20 different designers worked independently on each little part, an then they cobbled it all together without anyone paying attention to how the whole thing looks. Total mess.
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So what if it's ugly? It was made to do one thing... be the most ridiculous bike ever made and it succeeds.
 
The bike is fucking sexy. And I don't even like half-faired bikes.
To those that got their panties in a bunch about the wings... On the street version the top wings will be rear view mirrors. Duh.

This race version is purpose built so it has to be a little out there..
I just want to ride the damn thing.
On my current bike my front wheel already gets loose when I'm accelerating hard so with 115 more horsepower than I have now I KNOW they did SOMETHING to keep the front on the ground otherwise it would be useless.
They're not dumb I'm sure they thought of this lol
 
corpsedub said:
i got 20 hobo dollars that says an H2R will trap at a higher speed in the 1/4 than a 14R. ET's will be closer though since the H2R will be a hand full.
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^^^^this^^^^is the market rationale for such a machine

no MotoGP or road racing - rather, street racing

we here are as much a subset of M/Cing as the "F&F" crowd,
yet we have many more outlets & venues & interests

straightliners have 2 interests - speed & $$

this moto's aimed at the Busa boyz/girls who worship Kaw's Ricky Gadson

this is not only the '70s H1/H2 of today -
it's also the pumped-&-stretched '70s CB750 Oaklamb street racer of today
 
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This seriously sounds like Hayabusa/ZX-14 talk of yesteryears. Too much for the street, useless, etc etc.
 
& to correct one persons input, the reduced output on both the 99'/00' Busa & 00' ZX12R was in 2001'. The previous bikes to 01' were not neutered, the 01's are, typically by a reduction in ignition timing. The reasoning was the Euro lawmakers were about to put limits on them (not in the USA.)

The speedo error was in my guesstamate @ ~26mph topped out on the big Ninja. I used the speedo error software, & when indicating 225mph (past the limit of 220), it calculated to an actual 194mph (steep downhill w/15mph tailwind.) It was phenomenal at the time. :wow


The bigger problem, & one KAW must be thinking about now, is all those totaled bikes back in 00'. The early one's had a "lightswitch" powerband, that I would compare to a 500cc 2-stroke dirtbike from the 70's. Notice there's not many around anymore- they all been totaled. They were hard to ride.

Back then, they didn't do electronic rider aids; apparently they do now, in order to keep 2-300hp from killing every rider who get's one. I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't wait to see it. I think it will be wonderous...:thumbup :teeth
 
EastBayDave said:
& to correct one persons input, the reduced output on both the 99'/00' Busa & 00' ZX12R was in 2001'. The previous bikes to 01' were not neutered, the 01's are, typically by a reduction in ignition timing. The reasoning was the Euro lawmakers were about to put limits on them (not in the USA.)

The speedo error was in my guesstamate @ ~26mph topped out on the big Ninja. I used the speedo error software, & when indicating 225mph (past the limit of 220), it calculated to an actual 194mph (steep downhill w/15mph tailwind.) It was phenomenal at the time. :wow


The bigger problem, & one KAW must be thinking about now, is all those totaled bikes back in 00'. The early one's had a "lightswitch" powerband, that I would compare to a 500cc 2-stroke dirtbike from the 70's. Notice there's not many around anymore- they all been totaled. They were hard to ride.

Back then, they didn't do electronic rider aids; apparently they do now, in order to keep 2-300hp from killing every rider who get's one. I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't wait to see it. I think it will be wonderous...:thumbup :teeth
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this is more evidence that H1/H2 marketing/sales approach of the early '70s is being repeated yet again by the very same Company

not that there's anything wrong with that.....
 
firstbuell said:
this is more evidence that H1/H2 marketing/sales approach of the early '70s is being repeated yet again by the very same Company

not that there's anything wrong with that.....
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You are correct Dave. By the the way. I miss those mines rides we had in the early 2000s and I still remember that really nice ZX12 you had:thumbup. If I remember correctly. You really didn't want to get rid of that bike. Right?
 
Kurosaki said:
What's 'wrong' about it?

People wanted them and bought them. Many did not regret their decision.
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There is nothing wrong with what people were and are saying about crazy stupid HP bikes. I was replying to you saying this:

This seriously sounds like Hayabusa/ZX-14 talk of yesteryears. Too much for the street, useless, etc etc.
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What people were saying back then about the Hayabusa/ZX-14 wasn't wrong then, and it isn't wrong now when people say it about the H2. All those bikes are too much for the street and have tons of useless power, quite literally. You won't be able to use that power on the street because if you do, you'll wheelie over backwards. Or run into the back of a Prius with a 150 mph speed differential.

That said, there is nothing inherently "wrong" with falling for specs, buying into marketing hype, and spending money on a bike like that.
 
ilikefood said:
There is nothing wrong with what people were and are saying about crazy stupid HP bikes. I was replying to you saying this:



What people were saying back then about the Hayabusa/ZX-14 wasn't wrong then, and it isn't wrong now when people say it about the H2. All those bikes are too much for the street and have tons of useless power, quite literally. You won't be able to use that power on the street because if you do, you'll wheelie over backwards. Or run into the back of a Prius with a 150 mph speed differential.

That said, there is nothing inherently "wrong" with falling for specs, buying into marketing hype, and spending money on a bike like that.
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There are hundreds of bikes before this and those that have "too much" power for the street.
 
aminalmutha said:
Same could be said for your ST4. It'll do a buck fiddy... no one "needs" to do a buck fiddy.
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I'm no talking about "need". I'm talking about "physical possibility". It's physically impossible to use 300 hp on a motorcycle because it will wheelie over backwards.
 
ilikefood said:
I'm no talking about "need". I'm talking about "physical possibility". It's physically impossible to use 300 hp on a motorcycle because it will wheelie over backwards.
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Weren't you going on about how turbos are "peaky"? :laughing

Yes, it's possible to use 300hp. No, you can't do a redline clutch dump from a standstill and not expect something totally awesome and disastrous to happen. Doesn't mean you can't use it ever, though. There are 1000hp motorcycles out there that'd beg to differ. :afm199

300hp is going to happen at WOT close to redline. There are stretches of road where you could probably open it in 3rd or 4th gear and not have anything bad happen.

Is 300hp easily accessible? No. But it's not impossible. At least for non-wussy people. :twofinger
 
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