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Oscar Grant Movie "Fruitvale" Wins Top Honors at Sundance

augustiron said:
Anyone who spends a nickel watching this movie is supporting the glorification of a criminal and furthurs the cause. fuck that.
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i'm willing to bet that the movie didnt go into Oscar's prior arrests and convictions... confirmation from someone that wasted their time watching it?
 
maxandgrinch said:
Sundance is 'dedicated to the discovery and development of independent artists and audiences.' A Sundance award won't help a movie that the general public doesn't like or agree with: it didn't help the Cohen Brothers with their first movie.

Is this a thread about a well made independent film/movie OR is it a thread about the actions and the results of those actions to an individual?

The award is not based on ideology-other than cinematic skill, right or wrong, truthfulness, or whatever stuff is usually discussed on BARF. It shows one side of a story that has at least 3 different sides, before you take into account the bystanders, passive participants, and other factors.

We should be celebrating the impact on the local economy and that fact that local production crews, local equipment rental companies, local students and graduates from Academy Arts College received real experience, and other local businesses benefited from the money the movie brought into the area.

Because the awards are voted on by other filmmakers - their views on right/wrong, good/bad, Rep/Dem, hybrid/full electric, and caf/decaf, and are all part of their vote - you can't take that out of the equation.

Will this award help the movie or the cause, or whatever? Probably not if it takes a stand that the general public disagrees with.

The Sundance Award is just another icon on a package in the $2.99/ Five for $10 DVD box at an independent liquor store.
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damn, the only post worth a shit in here...tho i would say that if i was making films, i'd be happier that it won the sundance than if it didn't win, validity notwithstanding.
 
maxandgrinch said:
Sundance is 'dedicated to the discovery and development of independent artists and audiences.' A Sundance award won't help a movie that the general public doesn't like or agree with: it didn't help the Cohen Brothers with their first movie.

Is this a thread about a well made independent film/movie OR is it a thread about the actions and the results of those actions to an individual?

The award is not based on ideology-other than cinematic skill, right or wrong, truthfulness, or whatever stuff is usually discussed on BARF. It shows one side of a story that has at least 3 different sides, before you take into account the bystanders, passive participants, and other factors.

We should be celebrating the impact on the local economy and that fact that local production crews, local equipment rental companies, local students and graduates from Academy Arts College received real experience, and other local businesses benefited from the money the movie brought into the area.

Because the awards are voted on by other filmmakers - their views on right/wrong, good/bad, Rep/Dem, hybrid/full electric, and caf/decaf, and are all part of their vote - you can't take that out of the equation.

Will this award help the movie or the cause, or whatever? Probably not if it takes a stand that the general public disagrees with.

The Sundance Award is just another icon on a package in the $2.99/ Five for $10 DVD box at an independent liquor store.
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Was the film submitted as a fictional story, or 'based' on real events? assuming the film team did the screenplay, they were able to craft the story to suit the needs of being a great film (drama, hero, villans, etc), not an accurate representation of events (assuming the statements of the family's influence on misrepresenting Oskar's character are true).
that is now taking what is a contentious historical event and manipulating the facts for dramatic effect, which then introduces the event to new audiences with a misrepresentation. That is where we find fault with this. Cinematography? great! take whatever camera angles you want, when you blur the facts of an event for the impact of drama on the screen, you are changing history and that should not be celebrated or awarded.

would the same awards have been given for the story of the life of a shitbag criminal who was all fucked up and starting fights on a public train and resisting arrest when confronted? I don't know. but that is what I understand to be the real Oskar Grant story to be, nothing really interesting there.
Not to say the cinematographers can't make pretty pictures out of a shithead's life, but don't manipulate the story.
 
After the fact- everything is fictional, because it is a re-telling based on one side of the story, from a perspective of one participant, which is molded by their breakfast, what they saw on TV yesterday, an adult that influenced them, and bias comes in.

If multiple perspectives from participants are included - then it is is fictionalized by whoever edits the 'facts,' together.

Why are BARFers siding with the cops :wow- is it Opposite Day?



I searched for the appropriate Spongebob Opposite Day image, to add some levity, however, this showed up, which is way better... Makes me want to produce a movie about an event just like Fruitvale but slightly different :laughing


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^^^ That is amusing.

However, although many racist people tried to play the race card in the OG debacle, it wasn't about racism at all.

IMO the whole OG scenario themes are about misspent youth, underclass ignorance, and an underqualified police state.

Your experience and perspectives may vary. However I'll wager the larger social implications of a ne'er-do-well getting shot in the back by an aggressive security force are lost in this movie, which is a shame.
 
Nucking Futs said:
Your experience and perspectives may vary. However I'll wager the larger social implications of a ne'er-do-well getting shot in the back by an aggressive security force are lost in this movie, which is a shame.
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Doubtful if Emo Gamgee is on here trumpeting about it. :laughing

Of course he doesn't really bother with actual details, so he's probably just masturbating over himself that a movie was made on the topic instead of over the actual contents of the film.
 
If 'Reality TV,' is real, why are there writers listed in the credits*

It's all fake!



*Unless it takes a writer to write the credits, which is a circle jerk bag of sausages if there ever was one. Probably end of the world, if there wasn't a writer to write the credits.
 
augustiron said:
would the same awards have been given for the story of the life of a shitbag criminal who was all fucked up and starting fights on a public train and resisting arrest when confronted? I don't know. but that is what I understand to be the real Oskar Grant story to be, nothing really interesting there.
Not to say the cinematographers can't make pretty pictures out of a shithead's life, but don't manipulate the story.
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Of course it wouldn't get any awards, it would be a 3-5 minute segment on an episode of Cops that would leave the audience thinking "Fuck him, one less piece of shit in the world!" :laughing

It blows my mind that in this country the media and film industry end up glorifying people like Rodney King and Oscar Grant.
 
A human being died needlessly, thats the story. No matter what you think of OG who's to say that he deserved to die. How can anybody say what he may have accompished in the future. The disturbing thing is that some people think they should be able to murder another person because they think they are more valuable to society.:wtf
 
What's really disturbing to me, is how much sympathy Oscar gets. If I fought with the cops, got my ass killed for it, the headlines would read, "Half Jap fights with cops, gets killed. Nobody cares."

It's cause I'm black.
 
Versystim said:
A human being died needlessly, as a consequence of his actions.
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Fixed that for you.



Versystim said:
The disturbing thing is that some people think they should be able to murder another person because they think they are more valuable to society.:wtf
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Well, for one the OG case wasn't murder. Mehserle as convicted of involuntary manslaughter.

Two, while the Oscar didn't deserve it, he likely earned it. Oscar and his friends acted in a manner that brought them to the attention of Law Enforcement officials, and proceeded to act in a manner that required said LEOs to escalate further up their use of force. Actions which tragically (for all parties involved) led to an officer having a brain fart and accidentally shooting Oscar in the back.

And now we have a ridiculous movie portraying Oscar as an angel, when very clearly, he was not.
 
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Versystim said:
How can anybody say what he may have accompished in the future.
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you are absolutely right. Oscar could have impregnated a couple more local hoochie welfare mommies, and likely would have given further job security to many california correctional officers. its a shame he is no longer with us.

/sarcasm
 
ScorpioVI said:
Fixed that for you.






Well, for one the OG case wasn't murder. Mehserle as convicted of involuntary manslaughter.

Two, while the Oscar didn't deserve it, he likely earned it. Oscar and his friends acted in a manner that brought them to the attention of Law Enforcement officials, and proceeded to act in a manner that required said LEOs to escalate further up their use of force. Actions which tragically (for all parties involved) led to an officer having a brain fart and accidentally shooting Oscar in the back.

And now we have a ridiculous movie portraying Oscar as an angel, when very clearly, he was not.
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I agree it's tragic for everybody. I do believe the shooting was accidental and totaly retarded. There is no excuse for such an accident and the officer should never be in law enforcement again and needs to face consequences for his actions which he did.
 
Bottom line:
Guy got killed who should not have been killed. What he could have done with his life isn't really up to anyone's speculation. Anyone's speculation is totally meaningless.

So, has anyone actually seen this movie, or are we all just talking out of our asses?
 
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Poxy said:
Bottom line:
Guy got killed who should not have been killed.
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Yes, however it wasn't some cold blooded killing where the cops were running around looking for someone they could blast.

It was a mistake made in a tense situation. A situation that Mr. Grant had a hand in creating.
 
wazzuFreddo said:
Yes, however it wasn't some cold blooded killing where the cops were running around looking for someone they could blast.

It was a mistake made in a tense situation. A situation that Mr. Grant had a hand in creating, perpetuating, and escalating.
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FTFY
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