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Question about professionals and the Porsche GT

mike23w said:
it could accelerate and corner to just a hair's breath away from crashing. no human has that kind of nerve.
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Yeah, Ummmmm, :bs

Lots of humans have that nerve, except they can't reliably hit that edge, or they cross the line and crash.

I'd agree a robot would be able to consistently ride the line, but as you said, it would depend on it's ability to read the variables, the tires going away, the heat in the track, weather conditions, obstacles, all the stuff that a human racer deals with already, and I bet there would be crashes just like we have with human racers as the variables become more then the robot could handle or account for.

But to say that human's don't have that kind of nerve to hit the edge of control and crashing, is kind of a lame statement considering some of the amazing racers we have seen and currently have, and that they still cross the line and crash, kind of disproves that statement handily
 
We are cursed with such problems. And to have toys in our garages that make the discussion relevant, well, we are doubly fucked,eh?
 
sanjuro said:
http://blog.sfgate.com/topdown/2013...ied-in-is-crazy-scary-say-drivers/#18534101=0

I can almost understand why a novice would be fascinated by the power, but what is the appeal to a professional?

Is it the amount of power? Do other cars with similar power have better handling or suspension?
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thread took a turn i don't understand with regard to OP's original question. which BTW - i don't understand either. except of course, for the professionals who have offered their opinion. (though i'm not sure i can tell who they are.)

so let me speculate - if i were a professional, i would be bored to tears to drive an (even above) average POS, and therefore, driving a porsche GT to the grocery store would seem quite normal to me. except for the lack of ample space to stash my cereal, milk and cat food lol.
 
littlebeast said:
thread took a turn i don't understand with regard to OP's original question. which BTW - i don't understand either. except of course, for the professionals who have offered their opinion. (though i'm not sure i can tell who they are.)

so let me speculate - if i were a professional, i would be bored to tears to drive an (even above) average POS, and therefore, driving a porsche GT to the grocery store would seem quite normal to me. except for the lack of ample space to stash my cereal, milk and cat food lol.
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Sorry if I added to the confusion being a smart ass.

The Carrera GT was designed as a LeMans LMP1 race car. Think of it like a Desmosidicci (sp?), like a race vehicle you could buy from a dealer.

A lil history here: Porsche and it's sister company VW Auto Group (VAG) now currently the parent company, wanted to prove/race an Audi Diesel, known as the R10/TDI in LMP-1 class. Porsche at the same time wanted a SUV for the North American market. VW/Audi shook hands w/ Porsche and they pulled the Carrera GT from the race circuit, to give the TDI powered R10 a leg up and Porsche gained the SUV they wanted, known as the Cayenne. Porsche put the GT in limited production, since they were already tooled for it.

The GT is a race car that is legal on the street. As awesome as it may be, it's sucks to drive as a street car. I can't imagine being stuck in bumper to bumper traffic with the clutch it has. The brakes are crap when it's not at race speed and at proper temperature. Don't get me wrong, it's an awesome, well designed vehicle; I really wish I could have flogged it around Sears Point for a few laps- that's what it was designed for. :cool
 
littlebeast said:
thread took a turn i don't understand with regard to OP's original question. which BTW - i don't understand either. except of course, for the professionals who have offered their opinion. (though i'm not sure i can tell who they are.)

so let me speculate - if i were a professional, i would be bored to tears to drive an (even above) average POS, and therefore, driving a porsche GT to the grocery store would seem quite normal to me. except for the lack of ample space to stash my cereal, milk and cat food lol.
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Any fool could want a Porsche GT for any reason, including that Paul Walker died in one.

A professional, hypothetically, could use the capabilities of this car. So why?
 
sanjuro said:
Any fool could want a Porsche GT for any reason, including that Paul Walker died in one.
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Because, damn... it looks fast when it's parked.:laughing

sanjuro said:
A professional, hypothetically, could use the capabilities of this car. So why?
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On the right race circuit, you could. It's the same argument with litre+ bikes.

If you want a Porsche you should start off with a used 914. Just like a Neenja 2-Fiddy.:thumbup
 
}Dragon{ said:
Sorry if I added to the confusion being a smart ass.

The Carrera GT was designed as a LeMans LMP1 race car. Think of it like a Desmosidicci (sp?), like a race vehicle you could buy from a dealer.

A lil history here: Porsche and it's sister company VW Auto Group (VAG) now currently the parent company, wanted to prove/race an Audi Diesel, known as the R10/TDI in LMP-1 class. Porsche at the same time wanted a SUV for the North American market. VW/Audi shook hands w/ Porsche and they pulled the Carrera GT from the race circuit, to give the TDI powered R10 a leg up and Porsche gained the SUV they wanted, known as the Cayenne. Porsche put the GT in limited production, since they were already tooled for it.

The GT is a race car that is legal on the street. As awesome as it may be, it's sucks to drive as a street car. I can't imagine being stuck in bumper to bumper traffic with the clutch it has. The brakes are crap when it's not at race speed and at proper temperature. Don't get me wrong, it's an awesome, well designed vehicle; I really wish I could have flogged it around Sears Point for a few laps- that's what it was designed for. :cool
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am confused to your point in bringing up VW/Audi since the GT preceded that era - no? is it me who is confused?

sanjuro said:
Any fool could want a Porsche GT for any reason, including that Paul Walker died in one.

A professional, hypothetically, could use the capabilities of this car. So why?
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irrespective of 'wanting' a GT - fool or not, if a professional could use the capabilities of the car, why would you ask why they would drive one? am trying to understand - but your input is inexplicable.
 
SpeedyCorky said:
i've always wondered what a robot could get as a 'best lap time possible for the bike" at say Sonoma or Thill - really wonder how much faster it would be than the pros. i suspect a robot tuned to its max, would be substantially faster than a pro ...
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I suspect this concept will win first place for "really dumb BARF thoughts".
 
I gotta imagine a lot of professionals don't even bother owning sports cars. They already drive real race cars for a living, so no street car will compare to that. Why not kick back and drive a pickup, or a classic cruiser like an Impala or Galaxy, something oddball like that.
 
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I have a few friends who have discussed how much they would like to ride a MotoGP and how fast it would be. My response was: "You're fast enough to crash it but not to get the tires warm enough to work."
 
Reli said:
Why?
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You find no amusement in theoretical discussions on how fast a non existent "robo race bike" with no technology that currently is applicable would work?

I think it would be really neat to build a robot to walk my dog. What do you think?

O wait, the reason I walk my dog is because I enjoy it. But I bet a good robot could walk it faster than I could, clean up the shit, pause at the appropriate leg lifts and stop at the crosswalks. What do you think? Would grey be a good color for this robot or purple? Should it have lights? License required?
 
afm199 said:
You find no amusement in theoretical discussions on how fast a non existent "robo race bike" with no technology that currently is applicable would work?

I think it would be really neat to build a robot to walk my dog. What do you think?

O wait, the reason I walk my dog is because I enjoy it. But I bet a good robot could walk it faster than I could, clean up the shit, pause at the appropriate leg lifts and stop at the crosswalks. What do you think? Would grey be a good color for this robot or purple? Should it have lights? License required?
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Since I'm the one who started the whole "robot" discussion, I'll explain. There is no way any human could extract 100% of any vehicle's highest potential lap time or race result. Sure, they could hit (or even exceed) 100% at several distinct points during the race, but those points will be scattered here and there. They can't possibly sustain 100% continuously throughout the entire race. Humans have too many flaws.
 
afm199 said:
You find no amusement in theoretical discussions on how fast a non existent "robo race bike" with no technology that currently is applicable would work?

I think it would be really neat to build a robot to walk my dog. What do you think?

O wait, the reason I walk my dog is because I enjoy it. But I bet a good robot could walk it faster than I could, clean up the shit, pause at the appropriate leg lifts and stop at the crosswalks. What do you think? Would grey be a good color for this robot or purple? Should it have lights? License required?
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I bet if we put a robot piloting a plane on a treadmill, then we could really see if it would take off or not. :p
 
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Reli said:
Since I'm the one who started the whole "robot" discussion, I'll explain. There is no way any human could extract 100% of any vehicle's highest potential lap time or race result. Sure, they could hit (or even exceed) 100% at several distinct points during the race, but those points will be scattered here and there. They can't possibly sustain 100% continuously throughout the entire race. Humans have too many flaws.
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Since you explained I'll explain. Every lap on a track is totally unique, as is every corner. It is NEVER the same. The temp is different, the line is different, the angles, power applied, tire traction, traffic, brake pad wear, engine power, all vary in an infinite number of variables. The interesting thing about animals is that they can perform very complicated calculus and catch other animals, catch balls, run, dodge traffic, and basically exist in a world where these calculations take place constantly.

On the other hand, the very best robots can't do .01% of what humans can. Fuck, we can't even hit missiles with interceptors with any regularity, an area of robotics where more money has been spent than any other. The remainder are fucking DUMB repetitive machines that can do very simple tasks. There are no computers in existence capable of calculating and integrating the amazing and infinite stream of data that flows in one corner of one lap. Nor will there probably ever be. You're explaining how a machine that does not exist and can not be built with current tech will be better than a human. No insult intended, but I have my favorite science fiction writers. You're not one of them. :laughing
 
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