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Really Salinas?
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How often do you use your car insurance?
If it doesn't work you can't call it insurance, but if the thought of having one boost your morale, keep watching out for colorful shiny things.
I forgot how many IEDs were in Salinas
Nucking Futs
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I have a lot to say about these vehicles.
Background: I belong to a group of mostly active SWAT officers that meets regularly, I regularly train in classes with SWAT, and generally have a lot of interaction with police including close personal relationships.
Ironically I was raised to distrust police, and beware of the militarization of this nations police force.
Here is the SWAT philosophy in a nutshell: through an escalation of violence, remove the antagonizer's choice of fighting, and replace it with resignation.
The goal is for our police to survive a gun fight with a bad guy, and if they can convince the bad guy that fighting would be a worthless cause, then SWAT has succeeded. Also, SWAT is used for many other purposes besides second responders to aggressive situations. An example would be high risk warrant serving.
The MRAP is a great tool to use when responding to these situations for those reasons. It also serves as a major "cool" factor in the publics eye. I got to crawl all around the Antioch MRAP and was impressed. Also, according to APD, it was free to the dept from our federal army (which, BTW, has proved that the MRAP design is useless in the sandbox, mountain, and jungle areas where our current and future deployments will be). Unfortunately, APD must rely on community donation to get it painted and lights installed, because they are budgeting more money for officers on the street. I say unfortunate because the police budget is so low there.
I hope I've articulated the idea behind these vehicles here adequately. So my answer to the OP's question is "hell yes really". I don't think I'd have a problem with Blackhawk PD having one of these bad boys.
Background: I belong to a group of mostly active SWAT officers that meets regularly, I regularly train in classes with SWAT, and generally have a lot of interaction with police including close personal relationships.
Ironically I was raised to distrust police, and beware of the militarization of this nations police force.
Here is the SWAT philosophy in a nutshell: through an escalation of violence, remove the antagonizer's choice of fighting, and replace it with resignation.
The goal is for our police to survive a gun fight with a bad guy, and if they can convince the bad guy that fighting would be a worthless cause, then SWAT has succeeded. Also, SWAT is used for many other purposes besides second responders to aggressive situations. An example would be high risk warrant serving.
The MRAP is a great tool to use when responding to these situations for those reasons. It also serves as a major "cool" factor in the publics eye. I got to crawl all around the Antioch MRAP and was impressed. Also, according to APD, it was free to the dept from our federal army (which, BTW, has proved that the MRAP design is useless in the sandbox, mountain, and jungle areas where our current and future deployments will be). Unfortunately, APD must rely on community donation to get it painted and lights installed, because they are budgeting more money for officers on the street. I say unfortunate because the police budget is so low there.
I hope I've articulated the idea behind these vehicles here adequately. So my answer to the OP's question is "hell yes really". I don't think I'd have a problem with Blackhawk PD having one of these bad boys.
The Reaper / mr.droopyx4
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And it extends beyond warfare between gangs...Someone wanting to join a gang, has to prove themselves, to be accepted.
Successfully robbing High dollar homes, stealing high dollar cars, Insurance fraud, anything that brings worthwhile money to the gang, is a plus.
Usually its acts of violence. Alot of unsolved murders you see on tv that appear to have no motive and are considered "random killings", are in fact gang initiation hits. "Jumping in" isnt really used to much as an initiation anymore. Shot callers want to know youre willing to kill for the cause. Money or merchandise for the gang comes later.
yeah but that would be racist
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Are there better armored vehicle options for PDs ? I think so.
Tharkûn
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Are they available for pennies on the dollar from the military or full retail private companies?
This is not a problem restricted to Salinas only. Nortenos and Surenos are at each other throats everywhere.
How the heck will an MRAP solve this? Will its mere presence bring sanity and make these cholos honest, hardworking tax-payers? When MRAPs won't change them, should we get police departments to get surplus tanks to drive up to bunkered up bad guys?
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That is just sad. When a vehicle with complete design failure gets the go ahead, you really understand how corrupt the procurement process is within the military industrial complex.
afm199
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Sonny:
Salinas is an urban city with ghettos. It is surrounded by farmland, but the gang violence, on the streets, is very real and very present. And, BTW, I am far more scared to drive through a hood in Salinas than in Oakland. There's nowhere I won't go in Oakland, in the day. In Salinas I stay the fuck away from the hoods.
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Free usually means;
The previous owner couldn't deal with it (U.S. Military).
You as the new owner will be spending lots of money on it.
http://www.thebanninginformer.com/?page_id=7178
I don't dispute that.
MRAPs are not effective in that environment, a smaller lighter armored vehicle is a better choice.
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Reli
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Shootouts and stand offs with armed subjects with rifles happen all the time. Go ahead and advance on a barricaded subject with a rifle on foot, I'll be right behind you
Like the N Hollywood incident, with multiple people with multiple FULL-AUTO weapons?
Has that trend accelerated? Even if so, to what degree has it accelerated? Enough to justify every small town acquiring gee-whiz tacti-cool equipment?
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Reli
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With who, 8 year old boys?
What about the other segment of society who thinks that militarized equipment like this only serves to distance the police from the public?
And how about maintenance? Training? Who pays for that?
Oh I know, I'm sure there are tons of overpaid "security contractors" who are more than willing to sell you a few tactical classes plus "ongoing support").
Blackhawk PD? As in Danville Blackhawk? Oh yeah, that's a high-need community.
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My girlfriend thinks I'm crazy because every once in while I have to go to El Pollo Dorado on East Alisal for some chicken...
http://www.yelp.com/biz/el-pollo-dorado-salinas
The Reaper / mr.droopyx4
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In no way did i mran it was/is only a probkem in Salas. I definitely know its all over the place. But in salinas, its been VERY bad for awhile.
Nucking Futs
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With who, 8 year old boys?
Actually yes. Also I thought it was cool. As you well know appearances matter.
What about the other segment of society who thinks that militarized equipment like this only serves to distance the police from the public?
And how about maintenance? Training? Who pays for that?
The individual PD pays for it but since there is no spec standard the PD needs to maintain the vehicle in, I don't think this cost is extraordinary.
Oh I know, I'm sure there are tons of overpaid "security contractors" who are more than willing to sell you a few tactical classes plus "ongoing support").
Blackhawk PD? As in Danville Blackhawk? Oh yeah, that's a high-need community.
You know I was mostly kidding, but if it's free to the PD (sort of) and that PD can budget the maintenance, I think it's a good idea. Blackhawk wouldn't be my first choice though. But salinas is a good choice.
I answered some of your responses above also.
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When Salinas PD (most often in concert with other agencies) has to deal with potentially bad situations, that is exactly what they do. Very effective, and relatively safe.
MRAPS might not be as effective, but it was a whole lot more affordable. WE take what we can get.
Yes, Salinas has had multiple people with FULL-AUTO weapon incidents, most notoriously in the early 90s.
No, the trend hasn't accelerated, but it is still a very real possibility that the PD may have to deal with multiple heavily-armed persons.