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ROLL CALL JULY 19th THILL ZZ

I'm not sure how to read this properly, but it looks like you're being modest when you say you were the 'slow sv in C group'. The reason is because you go on to say how you thought about bumping up to B group, etc. Then you go on to complain about hairy moments. You know, I am not a fast or experienced track rider. I'm new to this game. That's why I ride in C group. I rode in the middle of the C group at RFR, but I think definately at the end of the C group this weekend, after my get off. I can't help but wonder if I was one of those guys in you almost ass packed.

As you know the lunch time all groups mandatory one way conversation was about B group being sold out, so those riders just signing up for C group and causing much grief. All of a sudden there was no instruction at my track day for the next two sessions as instructors became police! I'm not saying you were one of the asshats that needed to be (and some were) ejected, but wouldn't you rather avoid the 'hairy moments' caused by folks like me and ride with a little more (educational) pressure in the B group next time?

Reason I'm sayin' is because the pressure I feel in C group is something I can deal with, it's good training. But the pressure I feel with B group riders strafing the C group is really really rough. I don't need to almost get ass packed because I'm riding too slowly for an even slow B group rider. I don't want to have to deal with thst pressure, it's not what I signed up for. It becomes like a beginners NRS.

Again, I'm sure you're not the people I'm talking about. You're probably just getting to the point where B group starts to become an obvious necessity. It's just a convenient post to respond to with my thoughts on this. Congratulations on your increasing experience and I hope to get to watch you ride from the paddock while I get ready for my C group sessions. :) :thumbup :)
Ratters said:
Nay, I was the guy on the slow SV in C group. :teeth I thought about bumping up to B but I liked the lack of pressure in C, though there were some hairy moments with people doing some really unpredictable things. I was going to pass some guy on the outside of six and he drifted right in front of me and then chopped his throttle, and this was after the apex. :wtf Had another guy dive past me into ten and then way parked it so I almost ass packed him too. And the only pass on the outside rule is tough because many of the riders won't apex the turn and drift wide anyhow. But overall traffic wasn't too bad and it was a nice safe day.

Good to see you too Justin, maybe next time I won't be such a puss and go ride with you in B. :teeth
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I'm sorry, I guess rereading it that sounded more pissy than informative as I intended. :teeth I totally understand where you're coming from. C is supposed to be about riding your ride and not getting buzzed. I was actually signed up for B and asked to bump down. I'm actually working my way back after a bad get off in turn 8 last year. I really hope I wasn't strafing anyone or causing anyone problems out there. I try to ride smooth and predictable lines. I followed you for a bit in a couple of the session and it appeared to me that you were doing the same. Oh, I'm the guy who gave you the advil so you can have a reference of who I am. :) Oh, and I was there Saturday, not Sunday, so there was no police action. :D

But hairy moments come in all groups and passing needs to happen in all groups. The pressure I was talking about wasn't one of not wanting to have people pass me, but of trying to control my competetive nature and try to keep up with the faster guys. ;) I guess my point was it would be nice to have the inside pass option with the way a lot of riders drift wide. And for new riders theat their focus shouldn't be on trying to get around fast but to ride smooth and predictable lines, as most people I saw doing the wierd things really needed to take it down a notch and they'd be fine. I thought overall things were going pretty well in C which is why I stayed there rather than bumping up later in the day.
 
Ratters said:
I'm sorry, I guess rereading it that sounded more pissy than informative as I intended. :teeth I totally understand where you're coming from. C is supposed to be about riding your ride and not getting buzzed. I was actually signed up for B and asked to bump down. I'm actually working my way back after a bad get off in turn 8 last year. I really hope I wasn't strafing anyone or causing anyone problems out there. I try to ride smooth and predictable lines. I followed you for a bit in a couple of the session and it appeared to me that you were doing the same. Oh, I'm the guy who gave you the advil so you can have a reference of who I am. :) Oh, and I was there Saturday, not Sunday, so there was no police action. :D

But hairy moments come in all groups and passing needs to happen in all groups. The pressure I was talking about wasn't one of not wanting to have people pass me, but of trying to control my competetive nature and try to keep up with the faster guys. ;) I guess my point was it would be nice to have the inside pass option with the way a lot of riders drift wide. And for new riders theat their focus shouldn't be on trying to get around fast but to ride smooth and predictable lines, as most people I saw doing the wierd things really needed to take it down a notch and they'd be fine. I thought overall things were going pretty well in C which is why I stayed there rather than bumping up later in the day.
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Dont believe anthing he says, he is just a grumpy old man :laughing But seriously you have way to much skill to be riding in C group Steve. You would have been fine in B group. I understand you want to take it slow coming back from that really bad crash, but you used to ride A group at THill and your skills alone should put you in B group even if you were on a ninja 250. Even if you are slow in B group you would be taking proper lines and not "parking" into corners. Anyone faster should not have an issue just blowing by you on the straight sections. I think you are putting youself at more risk going out with the unpredictable wobblers in C group. Ride B group so I can drop down from A and ride with you and Rob. :teeth
 
^^^ Their tendency to drift wide is exactly why inside passing isn't allowed. They could drift wide right into the person that they are passing. Glad to hear that you are coming back with baby steps ratters ;) Your zx9r vortex rearsets live on through my zx6r :thumbup

egrep. I would hazard a guess that people "buzzing" C group riders would be part of the reason that zz would have to crack down. There shouldn't be any kind of buzzing occuring in C. Sorry to hear that you fell victim. After a while, when you start moving up, the shock of someone blazing past you begins to taper off and instead becomes entertaining... assuming of course that the rider doing to buzzing knows what the hell they are doing. Sad that folks are starting to leave common courtesy behind in the pits. OTOH, I am reassured by hearing that the zz staff is taking measures to keep their days fun for everyone, even if that means having to step up and police riders. I kinda wonder if they should start deploying a vigilante instructor squad to give some NRS passes to the guys doing the buzzing, then drag them in for a one way conversation regarding track ethics after they have been given a dose of thier own medicine. Sucks that they should have to do anything aside from clearly outlining the rules as THEY ALREADY DO in the riders meeting. C'mon folks, self police a bit and save everyone else the headache!
 
ExplicitZX7R said:
Dont believe anthing he says, he is just a grumpy old man :laughing But seriously you have way to much skill to be riding in C group Steve. You would have been fine in B group. I understand you want to take it slow coming back from that really bad crash, but you used to ride A group at THill and your skills alone should put you in B group even if you were on a ninja 250. Even if you are slow in B group you would be taking proper lines and not "parking" into corners. Anyone faster should not have an issue just blowing by you on the straight sections. I think you are putting youself at more risk going out with the unpredictable wobblers in C group. Ride B group so I can drop down from A and ride with you and Rob. :teeth
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Don't worry, my next two days are in B group. :teeth I think my A group days are over though. Actually other than a couple incidents C group was flowing really well most of the time, very few trains of people, and when I came up on them I just pulled into the pits. Can't wait to get out there again with ya Erik. :thumbup

Lazerus, glad the rearsets are living on, though it was a ZX6 as well. I must say I really miss that bike.
 
No, you didn't sound too pissy at all, that's why I said you weren't likely one of those people. They're not posting here. I just wanted to whine about folks riding out of class and picked on your post. :)

Thanks very much for the Advil! Now I'm on much harder $#!+, Vicodan. Also, thanks for your kind words about my lines. When I read your original post I was hoping it wasn't me. I got passed a bunch but didn't feel too pressured except once on Sunday and that fellow was probably gone after lunch.
Ratters said:
I'm sorry, I guess rereading it that sounded more pissy than informative as I intended. :teeth I totally understand where you're coming from. C is supposed to be about riding your ride and not getting buzzed. I was actually signed up for B and asked to bump down. I'm actually working my way back after a bad get off in turn 8 last year. I really hope I wasn't strafing anyone or causing anyone problems out there. I try to ride smooth and predictable lines. I followed you for a bit in a couple of the session and it appeared to me that you were doing the same. Oh, I'm the guy who gave you the advil so you can have a reference of who I am. :) Oh, and I was there Saturday, not Sunday, so there was no police action. :D

But hairy moments come in all groups and passing needs to happen in all groups. The pressure I was talking about wasn't one of not wanting to have people pass me, but of trying to control my competetive nature and try to keep up with the faster guys. ;) I guess my point was it would be nice to have the inside pass option with the way a lot of riders drift wide. And for new riders theat their focus shouldn't be on trying to get around fast but to ride smooth and predictable lines, as most people I saw doing the wierd things really needed to take it down a notch and they'd be fine. I thought overall things were going pretty well in C which is why I stayed there rather than bumping up later in the day.
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Yeah, that was my point. I'm comfortable with being passed, when it's done well. Inside or outside. I don't lose it. But when someone goes in too hot or too late, it's just... rude. :)

But yeah, I'm there for the training and that means being passed and passing. At RFR I came on a dozen or so folks I needed to pass and did so with an instructor following. It was a total rush to do it well. Fat Wide Track, that RFR.

As for the riders meeting. During the sighting lap session there were these two guys in my group of three that were there together. I was first in the group and as we came around the front straight our leader gave the 'change positions' hand signal, as discussed at the riders meeting that means lead student pulls left and fades back as the other two pull forward. Well, in our case the two fellows fell back too, and then when the instructor motioned them to pull up, the one broke loose and passed the instructor! They got it all kinda sorted out eventually but it was a real clusterf**k and I faded back and gave them a bit more room after that.

Turns out they skipped the riders meeting. :wtf

I've only felt upset by one pass on Sunday morning. It was kind of impressive, all of a suddent there was a guy there who looked like he kind of coulda clipped my front end. I'm pleased I held steady.

It's the 'ass packing' because of my deficiencies i'm mostly intimidated by. That will make it harder for me to learn my way through turn 5 at Thill for instance.

Thanks for the post Laz, much appreciated :)
Lazerus said:
egrep. I would hazard a guess that people "buzzing" C group riders would be part of the reason that zz would have to crack down. There shouldn't be any kind of buzzing occuring in C. Sorry to hear that you fell victim. After a while, when you start moving up, the shock of someone blazing past you begins to taper off and instead becomes entertaining... assuming of course that the rider doing to buzzing knows what the hell they are doing. Sad that folks are starting to leave common courtesy behind in the pits. OTOH, I am reassured by hearing that the zz staff is taking measures to keep their days fun for everyone, even if that means having to step up and police riders. I kinda wonder if they should start deploying a vigilante instructor squad to give some NRS passes to the guys doing the buzzing, then drag them in for a one way conversation regarding track ethics after they have been given a dose of thier own medicine. Sucks that they should have to do anything aside from clearly outlining the rules as THEY ALREADY DO in the riders meeting. C'mon folks, self police a bit and save everyone else the headache!
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Well, it certainly wasn't me in Turn 5. Even when I was in A group I took that turn like a facking pussy. :teeth There's very little benefit to taking that turn fast, it will have a very minor impact on your laptime. If you really want to decrease your time take 11 slow and tight and get on the gas early for the back straight and get on the gas early in 15. Hell, I'm rolling on the throttle as I head toward the apex in 15. :) Even on my slow ass 600 I was able to just about keep up with liter bikes down the straight cause I got such a better drive. Slow turns are for going slow and getting a good drive. Time is made by the good drive. ;)

I only shit a brick once being passed. I was out with Mackey and he was following me and I was waiting for him to pass me down the front straight so he could give me a tow. Well he didn't and as I dipped into turn one at about 100 there he is under my elbow. Scared the piss out of me but was actually fun in a way.
 
^^^ Agree on 5. Hauling through it is best left to the Stantons and Hill's. Even if you get it right, you still have to figure out how to turn the bike on the off camber downhill 5a with your newly aquired extra speed. No thanks, I dont get paid to be a hero at trackdays :)
 
Ratters said:
Well he didn't and as I dipped into turn one at about 100 there he is under my elbow. Scared the piss out of me but was actually fun in a way.
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I hate when that happens!! ..but..i do seem to find myself with a smirk everytime AFTER the situation has passed :)
 
Justin707 said:
I hate when that happens!! ..but..i do seem to find myself with a smirk everytime AFTER the situation has passed :)
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With the smirk comes that little voice in your head that goes.. "ooooh you sneaky bastard... I'm gonna getcha!" :laughing
 
They're both from turn 1. So is this...
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Joe takes killer pics!

-Cody
 
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Cody said:
They're both from turn 1. So is this...
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-Cody
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Ah man, you need to buy that pic, it will look way better in High Resolution :drool

Oh BTW first pic is T6 I believe not T1?
 
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