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Rossi: "MotoGP is boring..."

Funny to see the same old guys griping about how regs on the bikes hurt competition. Just give us the old days...
Like when the winner used to lap 2nd place because only 1 factory brought a gun to a knife fight.
Moto2 has been proof of concept that a spec series race produces a better show. Done and over.
Dorna needs to get MotoGP to that level of parity, quick, the spec ECU is a start. CRT may or may not be the solution, but at least it's allowing more teams to be able to afford to play the game.
 
CRT suxxx bawlz. Total failure. They better do something quick and major if they want CRT to be anything but a joke.
 
I'm with Rossi on this, Sure there are exceptions...but there are tons of boring examples as well...

WSBK has actual dog fights in dicing scraps going on, like racing is happening.
 
louemc said:
I'm with Rossi on this, Sure there are exceptions...but there are tons of boring examples as well...

WSBK has actual dog fights in dicing scraps going on, like racing is happening.
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if one or two GP aliens raced in WSBK, the racing there would be the same shit that we see in GP... a procession at the front w/ something happening for 3rd-6th.
 
stangmx13 said:
the issue today, concerning the battle for wins, is not machinery or fuel limits or tires... its fucking talent.
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stangmx13 said:
if one or two GP aliens raced in WSBK, the racing there would be the same shit that we see in GP... a procession at the front w/ something happening for 3rd-6th.
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I get what you're saying, but I disagree. If Dani and Rossi and Jorge and Casey moved to WSBK, I think we'd see some outstanding and close racing between those guys AND Biaggi, Melandri, Checa and Sykes.

I think we'd see groups of five or six riders "check out" rather than one or two.

Fuck, just drop the CRT concept and let WSBK and MotoGP run on the same grid at the same time with separate championships.
 
stangmx13 said:
if one or two GP aliens raced in WSBK, the racing there would be the same shit that we see in GP... a procession at the front w/ something happening for 3rd-6th.
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IF, but they don't so as it stands WSBK is a far superior show from a fans perspective currently period.
 
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motobecane10 said:
IF, but they don't so as it stands WSBK is a far superior show from a fans perspective currently period.
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In terms of excitement, I think the pecking order is:

  1. Moto3
  2. Moto2
  3. WSBK
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  11. .
  12. Watching paint dry
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  17. The Good Wife on CBS
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  24. MotoGP
 
Rossi is basically correct. It's interesting to see the MotoGP/WSBK cmparo's begin. Personally I get different things out of each series, so I avoid that whole trap! But to be honest, I have been more excited by the actual racing going on in WSBK this year. Whether or not that is going to be a continuing trend is yet to be seen.

DORNA is working on it and hopefully they will hit upon a winning formula. I think the whole fuel limit thing is stupid and should be the first thing they toss. Don't expect a whole lot to change in 2013, but after that somer bigger changes will start to occur. The Moto2 model is a compelling argument, and should be looked at a bit closer to see if certain components of it would work for MotoGP as well.
 
Squidly McSmearstain said:
I get what you're saying, but I disagree. If Dani and Rossi and Jorge and Casey moved to WSBK, I think we'd see some outstanding and close racing between those guys AND Biaggi, Melandri, Checa and Sykes.

I think we'd see groups of five or six riders "check out" rather than one or two.

Fuck, just drop the CRT concept and let WSBK and MotoGP run on the same grid at the same time with separate championships.
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this is really all just speculation, but im ok w/ chatting about it.

u dont think that the gap that existed as the GP-rejects were leaving GP would pop up again?? do u think that gap was solely due to machinery differences?

why would 5 or 6 be able to checkout? its not happening in GP, not one satellite rider can hang w/ Jorge and Dani, and that most likely isnt due to machinery since the sat Yam is damn good. would a SBK somehow make Jorge and Dani's talent less effective and reduce the gap?

its really hard to compare riders since Melandri was the only one that actually raced against Dani and Jorge. really, Melandri was on arguably equal machinery to Dani in ZOOG and he only beat him by 13pts (one finish at Estoril :|). has Melandri improved as a rider in the past few years, undoubtedly yes after a low point on the Duc... has he improved as much as Dani, doubtful.

letting WSBK and GP on the same grid would be silly, but itd be an interesting experiment. all the SBK guys would prob run out of fuel and theyd have to run such hard tires to last the extended race distance that theyd be even more off the pace than current times suggest. :p

motobecane10 said:
IF, but they don't so as it stands WSBK is a far superior show from a fans perspective currently period.
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Kevin had an interesting point in another thread that i agree with... WSBK was exciting only because of all the screw-ups.

no one posted a Jorge-esque championship and it would have been boring as shit if someone did.
 
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This argument that because there was large disparity in times/bike competitiveness in the past makes it fine that it still exists now in nonsensical. "If it was broke before it's totally cool for it to still be broke." The riding in MotoGP is out of this world awesome. Just focussing on the amazing machines and what those dudes are able to do on them is entertaining in its own right. But the racing and the show are boring. End of. So rather than saying that's cool and chastising people who point that out maybe finding a solution to the poor racing is a worthwhile notion. But this don't fix it because its always been broken stagnant mentality certainly aint going to sort anything out.
 
RaptorFA said:
DORNA is working on it and hopefully they will hit upon a winning formula. I think the whole fuel limit thing is stupid and should be the first thing they toss. Don't expect a whole lot to change in 2013, but after that somer bigger changes will start to occur. The Moto2 model is a compelling argument, and should be looked at a bit closer to see if certain components of it would work for MotoGP as well.
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rumor has it that if/when the spec ECU is adopted, the fuel limit will be increased to 24L. so equal for everyone, factory and CRT alike.

CRT IS an extension of Moto2 components in GP. Prototype frame manufacturers outside of the MSMA making bikes to run production based engines for individual teams to OWN. if CRT was a spec engine and spec electronics, itd be exactly like Moto2 w/ more CC's.

when Moto2 started, everyone griped and wished that it hadnt gone spec engine. THAT is exactly what we will see in GP after the spec ECU is adopted, though the electronics will be dramatically more open than in Moto2. hell, even now, a CRT can put ANY engine in their chassis that they want. there is just no one on the planet willing to selling a full prototype racing engine to anyone... too much intellectual property to give away.
 
aminalmutha said:
Be careful what you wish for cuz you may end up with NASCAR on two wheels.
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Maybe, but I hate to say it but NASCAR is more exciting to watch than MOTOGP, and I hate NASCAR. In NASCAR there is a ton of passing and everyone has at least a chance to win.

MotoGP has 3-4 bikes that capable of winning and everything else is just filler. The only passing you see is for 8, 9, 10 place.

Moreover, the people on the 3-4 bikes that can win are boring. I mean who really roots for Stoner, Ped, Lorz, those guys are a snooze.

I have loved Motogp, but over the past couple of years it has been unwatchable.
 
stangmx13 said:
this is really all just speculation, but im ok w/ chatting about it.

u dont think that the gap that existed as the GP-rejects were leaving GP would pop up again?? do u think that gap was solely due to machinery differences?

why would 5 or 6 be able to checkout? its not happening in GP, not one satellite rider can hang w/ Jorge and Dani, and that most likely isnt due to machinery since the sat Yam is damn good. would a SBK somehow make Jorge and Dani's talent less effective and reduce the gap?

its really hard to compare riders since Melandri was the only one that actually raced against Dani and Jorge. really, Melandri was on arguably equal machinery to Dani in ZOOG and he only beat him by 13pts (one finish at Estoril :|). has Melandri improved as a rider in the past few years, undoubtedly yes after a low point on the Duc... has he improved as much as Dani, doubtful.

letting WSBK and GP on the same grid would be silly, but itd be an interesting experiment. all the SBK guys would prob run out of fuel and theyd have to run such hard tires to last the extended race distance that theyd be even more off the pace than current times suggest. :p



Kevin had an interesting point in another thread that i agree with... WSBK was exciting only because of all the screw-ups.

no one posted a Jorge-esque championship and it would have been boring as shit if someone did.
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The WSBK comment is only logic. They would probably still be winning but not 99% of the time just based on the fact that almost all the bikes in WSBK are able to win so it would more so be a 80% deal but they would more then certainly win most the time.

In terms of the screw ups and what not. Even if you eliminate the crashing or screw ups as mentioned you still have a far more entertaining series. The crashing is just these guys going BALLZ to the wall and not just we this guy is faster than me today so I'm just going to chill.
 
sidewazzz said:
The WSBK comment is only logic. They would probably still be winning but not 99% of the time just based on the fact that almost all the bikes in WSBK are able to win so it would more so be a 80% deal but they would more then certainly win most the time.

In terms of the screw ups and what not. Even if you eliminate the crashing or screw ups as mentioned you still have a far more entertaining series. The crashing is just these guys going BALLZ to the wall and not just we this guy is faster than me today so I'm just going to chill.
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ignoring Jorge this last round and maybe the one b4, i hope u dont think anyone in GP races like this.

to say that WSBK riders are trying harder, going more ballz to the wall than GP riders is absurd. gtfo of here w/ that shit :x. crashing is NOT validation of effort.
 
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