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S100RR Traction Control

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Wack

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May 17, 2008
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southbay
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UJM, UAM, UUSM
really works ! I was a skeptic of the need for TC on the street but it's worth was demonstrated at STP Saturday. The demo consisted of a full power run down 35 from the N end of the lot, much like the Harley dudes only faster. A touron had parked, blocking the S lane. Since the N bound lane was clear he crossed the DY on the gas. A huge cloud of dust/sand blew up from the DY but the rider was saved by his TC and avoided high siding into the top of the redwood trees.*

*CSB
 
not only that, but it cured his hemorrhoids at the same time! what an amazing bike!
 
Wow, so crossing the double yellow on the gas = guaranteed highside? I'd better not ever do that again. :(
 
^^^ Not a guaranteed highside if it's the bike in your avatar. The ninja 250 also has full-time traction control caused by it's engine's output. :cool
 
S1000RR TC: saving people from stupid decisions since 2010.
 
"Wow, so crossing the double yellow on the gas = guaranteed highside? I'd better not ever do that again."


I guess you missed reading this portion of the OP; "A huge cloud of dust/sand blew up from the DY"

The passing Reich Rocket rider also failed to access that the touron's random, unpredictable behavior might have resulted in a U-turn which all the technology in the world would not have saved him from.
 
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Wack said:
"Wow, so crossing the double yellow on the gas = guaranteed highside? I'd better not ever do that again."


I guess you missed reading this portion of the OP; "A huge cloud of dust/sand blew up from the DY"

The passing Reich Rocket rider also failed to access that a touron parked in the lane might have resulted in a U-turn which all the technology in the world would not have saved him from.
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How do you know it wouldn't have?? :twofinger

Actually I'm very liking the TC on the beamer... :)
 
I was thinking just yesterday that traction control is one of those things the sane and skilled do not need.

My bike makes probably 30 or 40 horsepower less than the BMW, but even if I ride it in the upper 2/3 of the rev range (as opposed to the upper third of the rev range), it starts shooting down straights alarmingly fast, so I am braking for even what I would normally consider curves and not corners. (Note, this thought was while on a forested road, US 49, where you don't see around the next two or three corners.) In that rev range, even my relatively cheap sport-touring tires have no trouble with traction. If I rode in the upper third of the rev range, I would have other problems, mostly the one of not really having any fun--frequent very hard braking. The point is that modern tires are not really having issues with traction on the street, even for lots of HP.

So if we go to the extreme, track riding, then you have a bike that is saving you from yourself. Are you learning anything about throttle control or drifting? What do you get from traction control then? Questionable bragging rights, that you went around the track faster than somebody with proven skills? Is losing traction under acceleration the biggest problem facing track riders? I would think it would be judging a doable corner speed. Does traction control help when you are under trailing throttle and have exceeded the tires' cornering traction?

And I am not considering traction control for those totally unskilled and luckless, the kind that shouldn't be riding or ones that seem to find oil-soaked roads. Those people will find some way to bite the dust regardless. And they are not likely buyers of this BMW.
 
Isn't this kind of the same thing as saying we should just do away with ABS on cars and learn to drive better? (don't follow too closely, don't overdrive headlights, etc.)

Mind you, I'm of the personal opinion that full power runs through the 84/35 intersection are the equivalent of russian roulette, but I don't see that as a reason to say "no" to TC.
 
georgelass said:
So if we go to the extreme, track riding, then you have a bike that is saving you from yourself. Are you learning anything about throttle control or drifting? What do you get from traction control then? Questionable bragging rights, that you went around the track faster than somebody with proven skills? Is losing traction under acceleration the biggest problem facing track riders? I would think it would be judging a doable corner speed. Does traction control help when you are under trailing throttle and have exceeded the tires' cornering traction?
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I race a GS500. It has traction control, in so much as there is so little engine power that it's pretty much impossible to spin up the rear tire at typical lean angles.

Throttle control is only a part of riding at the track. The hardest part, the part that takes the most skill, is off the throttle at corner entrance.

On the street... I don't know about you, but I ride 12 months out of the year. In the rainy season, it's nice to have TC as a backup, just in case I make a mistake. It's like ABS and riding gear. I don't really need it, I probably won't use it, but it's very nice to have, just in case.
 
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My wife went into emergency labor while we were on a plane flight. Thank God there was an S1000R on board. It delivered our baby at 35,000 feet and then served the patrons of the flight from the drink cart.
 
Burning1 said:
I race a GS500. It has traction control, in so much as there is so little engine power that it's pretty much impossible to spin up the rear tire at typical lean angles.
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Is that still true in the rain?

Burning1 said:
On the street... I don't know about you, but I ride 12 months out of the year. In the rainy season, it's nice to have TC as a backup, just in case I make a mistake.
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I feel like every time I make a mistake, especially in the wet, it teaches me to not make that mistake again, or at least gets me closer to that.

Does the same effect occur if TC is there? Do you still get enough feedback to tell you that you've stepped over the line, or more importantly, just put your toes on the line?

One of the most important moments of my motorcycle life so far is when the back tire rotated a turn or two on a damp road...would I have noticed it happening on a bike with TC?

Most of all...will TC prevent me from learning to exit corners in the wet while slightly spinning the rear? Because if so...how can it really make me safer if it prevents me from learning the ultimate safety skill...control in minimal traction situations.

Also...I would love an S100RR...even with TC.
 
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