Safety Features on New Motorcycles

[flying_hun]

2001 vintage ABS is SCARY!!!! Scary shit.. no sir, don't like it at all.

I'm hearing you but thats not new. I think the current round of abs has the bugs worked out for the most part.

Agreed. I had a 2000 BMW that scared the crap out of me a time or two when it decided that I didn't really need to stop. It sounds like new ABS is much better, and I expect to have it on my next bike. And TC, you know, just so I can ride like an asshole.

 

[VicTim]

Agreed. I had a 2000 BMW that scared the crap out of me a time or two when it decided that I didn't really need to stop. It sounds like new ABS is much better, and I expect to have it on my next bike. And TC, you know, just so I can ride like an asshole.

Watch out for the CHP they have airplanes now.:|

 

[louemc]

I'm hearing you but thats not new. I think the current round of abs has the bugs worked out for the most part.

Uhh, what kind of thinking is...That? Most Part?

Does that appeal, seem better than what a rider that can do looking ahead, and see what is going to be needed,
and can see the surface and what it's demands are, and can pick the wheel, or combinations of the wheels,
and amount of braking force,...Or to sum it up in less words...Know how to brake?

 

[NTron3000]

I agree in general, but this particular example does not appear to be a candidate for TC. Watch the slow mo and the rider never reaches for the front brake and the rear doesn't step out, the front end tucks. It looked to me like he rolled off the throttle and that may have been the weight transfer to the front that took it past its adhesion limit.

Have not ridden that particular ribbon of joy but having talked to a friend who has my understanding is that there is often a lot of dust on that road which compromises traction. Obviously this does not excuse the riders lack of proficiency and understanding but it does explain why when you watch so many of those videos it seems like 'wtf did they just lose the front there? The leen wasn't that extreme and I didn't see any egregious abrupt inputs...'

 

[mean dad]

Uhh, what kind of thinking is...That? Most Part?

Does that appeal, seem better than what a rider that can do looking ahead, and see what is going to be needed,
and can see the surface and what it's demands are, and can pick the wheel, or combinations of the wheels,
and amount of braking force,...Or to sum it up in less words...Know how to brake?

I've got $100 that says an ABS-equipped bike can out-brake you in a loose-traction situation.
Hundred bucks.

 

[louemc]

I've got $100 that says an ABS-equipped bike can out-brake you in a loose-traction situation.
Hundred bucks.

First, I wouldn't trust you to pay.

Second, I wouldn't accept a $100 bill from you, to be actual genuine.

Third, I'm not doing any Mamby Pamby test in a parking lot...

Real world conditions on mountain roads or GTFO
(but that isn't going to happen because, of the first two reasons)

 

[flying_hun]

I trust Kevin to pay.

*edit* I also think he wouldn't have to. Based on what's coming out from manufacturers like KTM, they don't think he'd have to either.

 

[louemc]

Paying you and paying me, is two different pays.

I'd suspect you also trusted the guy you let ride Your Versey, not to crash it.

And...Did you ever see the Blackie (it was way beyond a darkie) he layed?
Wow..Talk about someone that couldn't brake for shit, that was beyond belief.

 

[VicTim]

I trust Kevin to pay.

*edit* I also think he wouldn't have to. Based on what's coming out from manufacturers like KTM, they don't think he'd have to either.

Ditto, Mean Dad is good for it.

 

[Ironbutt]

I'm hearing you but thats not new. I think the current round of abs has the bugs worked out for the most part.

Hopefully? still though-I don't find my linked brakes or ABS to be an asset, if anything, it's a distractor. I have to think about how the bike is going to respond, usually I forget and brown-happens.

Agreed. I had a 2000 BMW that scared the crap out of me a time or two when it decided that I didn't really need to stop. It sounds like new ABS is much better, and I expect to have it on my next bike. And TC, you know, just so I can ride like an asshole.

Yeah, it'll free-wheel.. brakes just let go and then the bike starts gaining speed. Not a fan of these servo assisted brakes, if I ride it mellow, it's fine. I can't push this bike and dive in deep on the brakes. I have to be careful. it'll stand up straight or push.

Which is probably good anyway- throttle control & body position is where it's at, isn't it?

It is nice when I'm kind of not with it, I can day dream and just jam on the brakes. Maybe that's what all this shit is for- riders who aren't always mentally present?

Edit- Skip the linked ABS brakes.. I'll take a recluse clutch and a shortened throttle throw any day of the week over brake gizmo's..

 

[mean dad]

First, I wouldn't trust you to pay.

Second, I wouldn't accept a $100 bill from you, to be actual genuine.

Third, I'm not doing any Mamby Pamby test in a parking lot...

Real world conditions on mountain roads or GTFO
(but that isn't going to happen because, of the first two reasons)

1) What is that based on? Any particular reason you're calling me a liar?

2) We can go to a bank and have a fresh crispy c-note pulled from the sexiest teller's drawer.

3) You pick the spot.

4) You talk a lot. Put your money where your mouth is.

 

[russ69]

I use to have better skills than ABS but the systems have gotten better. On the first stop most ABS systems will be better than me. If I get a couple of practice runs, I can do pretty good but you usually don't get any practice runs on the street.

 

[JPK]

4) You talk a lot. Put your money where your mouth is.

Hell, I'll throw in another $100 to watch this.

However, we all know it'll never happen. Not because we're not good for it, but because we've finally gotten to the heart of the matter here...

It would scare the crap out of me to get results modified, by a computer program.

Lou, it's big of you to finally admit that your dislike of ABS/TC has nothing to do with actual real-world experience with it, but rather an irrational fear of something you've never tried and just don't understand.

 

[Kornholio]

I'll also happily chip in a third C-note.

 

[mean dad]

I use to have better skills than ABS but the systems have gotten better. On the first stop most ABS systems will be better than me. If I get a couple of practice runs, I can do pretty good but you usually don't get any practice runs on the street.

On clean, dry pavement, I might talk myself into believing my skills are pretty fucking close to pro-level. Not that I think they really are, but I can comfortably make both tires howl and chirp under braking. If I were feeling particularly rambunctious, I might make a claim that I could equal the stopping distance of a bike with ABS. This is only on clean pavement, and with the bike traveling in a straight line.

On dirty stuff, or in the rain? In a turn? Not even close, and I wouldn't talk shit.

 

[Nitewaif]

First, I wouldn't trust you to pay.

Second, I wouldn't accept a $100 bill from you, to be actual genuine.

. I've never known Mean Dad to be anything but honest.

 

[VicTim]

I'll also happily chip in a third C-note.

Fourth c note right here. Comon Lou thats $400.

 

[IAmA M0t0r Ridεr]

Define out-brake? Do I have to stop still with the rubber down? ;-)

 

[Aluisious]

Have not ridden that particular ribbon of joy but having talked to a friend who has my understanding is that there is often a lot of dust on that road which compromises traction. Obviously this does not excuse the riders lack of proficiency and understanding but it does explain why when you watch so many of those videos it seems like 'wtf did they just lose the front there? The leen wasn't that extreme and I didn't see any egregious abrupt inputs...'

Trying to drag knee through unknown conditions falls squarely in the bad judgement column.

 

[Ironbutt]

Fourth c note right here. Comon Lou thats $400.

That's just stopping quickly though by jamming on the brakes in a straight line.. does that really count as a skill in of itself? Considering all the other nuisances that could be honed and or measured?

We need a better test than this of skillz.. I'm pretty sure Kevin would 'out ride'- he has the biggest set of brassy balls and the least amount of machismo of any rider I've met to date here on the barfz.

How about a timed lap? best of three that requires one to use the brakes and throttle control? Flare counts too..