Slow riding practice tips?

[deathbug74]

There's a difference between adhering to certain behaviors (yes, my right glove has to go on first... )... and turning certain behaviors into a religion...

since we're bringing up religion....WHERE'S YOUR HUSBAND?

 

[Stormdragon]

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You really should sit down and read all those posts again Beginner. A couple of your quotes were in regards to other people. Not you.

5. Members have a right to voice their opinions as long as that it does not conflict with another right.

But if you really want to hear my opinion, instead of ignoring it when it doesn't agree with your preconceived notions. And they are notions...
Lets discuss this:

In case anyone is interested here is a 435 page version of the Hurt report in pdf http://isddc.dot.gov/OLPFiles/NHTSA/013695.pdf

The Hurt report, much as I loved and quoted the data when it first came out, is going on 40 years old now.
40 year old data, at least when it comes to traffic statistics, is suspect.

While I'm still willing to believe that the bulk of two car accidents are caused by a left turning car violating the right of way of the bike, there is some evidence to suggest that's no longer true. And I doubt that your 'borrowed bike' data holds too much water either. When The Hurt Report came out, people were pretty casual about jumping on a friends bike for a weekend under the impression that riding wasn't all that difficult. While we've certainly seen evidence that people still do that, I, personally, doubt it's as endemic as it was in the 70's. Fewer people have ratty $300 bikes to loan out, and education about safety is a lot more available.

 

[beginner]

I think his feelings got hurt. Heres some advice toughen up your skin. People will always poke fun if you cant take it stay out of the lime light. If you have spent anytime on this forum you would see it comes with the territory. Enjoy riding slow from what I have read it sounds like you might kill yourself at any other speed.

Either the rules are respected or they aren't. Decide what you stand for.

The reason I come to this forum is because there are a few riders with practiced skills, who I respect, who may offer a tip or idea occaisionally--if I ask. Please don't discourage them from doing that.

 

[orbframe]

you'll never get in an accident riding around in circles in a parking lot i guess....

 

[Lovedoc]

Either the rules are respected or they aren't. Decide what you stand for.

The reason I come to this forum is because there are a few riders with practiced skills, who I respect, who may offer a tip or idea occasionally--if I ask. Please don't discourage them from doing that.

Dude

- The post of mine you quoted was in no way a personal attack, and didn't even come close to TOS. You have an exaggerated sense of your importance and a tender butt

- Nobody wants to hear, again, about your parking lot drills. Anyway it's obvious from your Youtubes they haven't paid many dividends,

- You're right, BARF has some awesome riders who give right-on tips. Those are the people who were scratching their eyes out after reading your posts in your last epic thread. Also the people laughing at you now.

It's pretty funny to see an average rider or worse come to BARF and believe they can school the forum. BARF has some of the best riders you'll EVER find, wrenches, high mile tourers, racers, old farts, coaches. You just can't tell from their avatars or even posts who they are sometimes. It's a local forum, people make their reps face-to-face.

 

[beginner]

you'll never get in an accident riding around in circles in a parking lot i guess....

Pretty much true. I was inimidated by the bike in the beginning so I decided to spend half my moving time in a parking lot until I understood the risks better. The practice turns out to be fun and almost as addictive as riding around. Last year (year 3) PLP time was probably closer to 30% of moving time.

If suddenly every rider in North America spent 50% of their moving time in a parking lot the fatality and serious injury rate would fall by almost 50%. I can't prove that the practice time would reduce crashes on the road but I think it would. I've said before riding a bike seems about the same risk as recreational downhill skiing assuming unchallenging terrain, no traffic and PLP speeds. The risk escalates from there by where and how fast people choose to ride. Bikes aren't so risky, speed and traffic are risky.

 

[planegray]

Either the rules are respected or they aren't. Decide what you stand for.........................

+1 Good point. Have you ever had a discussion, with a mod, about giving bad advice ?

.................The reason I come to this forum is because there are a few riders with practiced skills, who I respect, who may offer a tip or idea occaisionally--if I ask. Please don't discourage them from doing that.

And, I think, therein lies the rub. Your STATED objective is to get advice, your actual ACTIONS are contrary to that objective. In fact your posts seem to be only about getting support for your agenda (1). You seem to invalidate, ignore, refute the very advice you claim to be here for.

So what sort of reaction do YOU have when someone asks you a question, then proceeds to invalidate all of your responses ?



Foot Notes:

1) "The agenda"

If suddenly every rider in North America spent 50% of their moving time in a parking lot the fatality and serious injury rate would fall by almost 50%. I can't prove that the practice time would reduce crashes on the road but I think it would. .

 

[beginner]

Nobody wants to hear, again, about your parking lot drills.

Speak for yourself. If you aren't interested in PLP topics there is an easy solution, don't follow the thread.

 

[MikeyRocks]

Either the rules are respected or they aren't. Decide what you stand for.

The reason I come to this forum is because there are a few riders with practiced skills, who I respect, who may offer a tip or idea occaisionally--if I ask. Please don't discourage them from doing that.

Well if we're going to bring the Terms of Service into this thread, how about this one???

4.6 Members will not start a thread with the intent of continuing the topic of a thread that was closed or removed.

And to add to that, let me direct you to this post which was intended FOR YOU:
http://bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5301929&postcount=9

Quit trolling! Trolling is ALSO against TOS!

 

[SuperMike]

If suddenly every rider in North America spent 50% of their moving time in a parking lot the fatality and serious injury rate would fall by almost 50%.

Wait. So you're saying that if riders spent 1/2 their time not riding in the street there'd be 1/2 as many motorcycle accidents? What if riders spend ALL their riding time doing figure 8s in parking lots? There'd probably be no accidents at all!

 

[beginner]

+1 Good point. Have you ever had a discussion, with a mod, about giving bad advice ?

"Bad advice" is a red herring. I have opinions, I'm willing to say what I do. Neither of those are advice.

Your STATED objective is to get advice, your actual ACTIONS are contrary to that objective. In fact your posts seem to be only about getting support for your agenda. You seem to invalidate, ignore, refute the very advice you claim to be here for.

There is a tendency on rider forums to give advice when it's not asked for. Usually that's best avoided. I posted a request for slow riding tips. I ASKED for advice. I got some excellent advice which I'm going to take.

So what sort of reaction do YOU have, when someone asks you a question, then proceeds to invalidate all of your responses ?

I never disrespect anyone regardless of the provocation. Disagreements can be interesting and instructive if they are discussed reasonably. It can be a good way to learn.

Wait. So you're saying that if riders spent 1/2 their time not riding in the street there'd be 1/2 as many motorcycle accidents? What if riders spend ALL their riding time doing figure 8s in parking lots? There'd probably be no accidents at all!

Bikes get dropped in the parking lot and people get hurt but compared to the street the number is trivial. There are a lot of ways to use bikes that are fun and lower risk then riding fast in traffic. It should be okay to talk about those too.

 

[Enchanter]

If suddenly every rider in North America spent 50% of their moving time in a parking lot the fatality and serious injury rate would fall by almost 50%. I can't prove that the practice time would reduce crashes on the road but I think it would. I've said before riding a bike seems about the same risk as recreational downhill skiing assuming unchallenging terrain, no traffic and PLP speeds. The risk escalates from there by where and how fast people choose to ride. Bikes aren't so risky, speed and traffic are risky.

And here is where you earn the ire of more experienced and more skilled riders than yourself. You make absolutely stupid claims. and this time actually contradict yourself.

We get it you are afraid to venture onto public roads. Fine, everyone has their own risk acceptance limits. But when you start passing on utter bullshit advice, many of us are going to point it out.

We get it, you like to ride slowly. You like it, and think that it's fun. Cool, good for you. Somehow you've gotten into your head that extremely slow parking lot maneuvers translate to all areas of street riding. Thing is, you have no personal experience in that area. You discount advice from riders with more experience, knowledge, and skill than you. Weird thing is that you have crashed/fell off your motorcycle more frequently in the last 3 years than I have in the last 20+ years.

You have been known to object when someone takes one of your threads off your intended topic, but just yesterday you posted a random fact and within hours it was pointed out to you that you were wrong (yet again).

The bottom line is that when you make uninformed claims, expect to get called on them. When you make stupid statements, expect to be told they are stupid. When you give advice that is dangerous we're going to point that out too.

These forums are more geared towards your desires:
http://www.trialscentral.com/forums/
http://www.trials.com.au/content/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=6

 

[Lovedoc]

Speak for yourself. If you aren't interested in PLP topics there is an easy solution, don't follow the thread.

No, because the smackdown you get is so funny. You entertain, but enlighten?

Seriously, keep posting, I don't get to watch Jersey Shore at work.

 

[isacivic]

Beginner, do you have a license yet?

 

[beginner]

Beginner, do you have a license yet?

The Michigan ORV law lets me ride on every county and township road without a plate. That means I can go anywhere I'm interested in going.

And here is where you earn the ire of more experienced and more skilled riders than yourself. You make absolutely stupid claims. and this time actually contradict yourself.

Stupid claims is not a response on the merits.

We get it you are afraid to venture onto public roads. Fine, everyone has their own risk acceptance limits. But when you start passing on utter bullshit advice, many of us are going to point it out.

Not interested in riding away from the farm. If I get a decent helmet cam this year I'll video some of the trail system. The passage I wrote that you cite has no advice, it does have opinions. (5. Members have a right to voice their opinions as long as that it does not conflict with another right.)

We get it, you like to ride slowly. You like it, and think that it's fun. Cool, good for you. Somehow you've gotten into your head that extremely slow parking lot maneuvers translate to all areas of street riding. Thing is, you have no personal experience in that area. You discount advice from riders with more experience, knowledge, and skill than you. Weird thing is that you have crashed/fell off your motorcycle more frequently in the last 3 years than I have in the last 20+ years.

Always drop the bike on soft ground at a slow speed in a safe place. That reduces the risk of injury a lot.

You have been known to object when someone takes one of your threads off your intended topic, but just yesterday you posted a random fact and within hours it was pointed out to you that you were wrong (yet again).

It would be nice if ridicule and interference was avoided. I rarely object even to that.

The bottom line is that when you make uninformed claims, expect to get called on them. When you make stupid statements, expect to be told they are stupid. When you give advice that is dangerous we're going to point that out too.

In your post you never menation a particular claim so it's tough to respond on the merits.

 

[Enchanter]

In your post you never menation a particular claim so it's tough to respond on the merits.

If suddenly every rider in North America spent 50% of their moving time in a parking lot the fatality and serious injury rate would fall by almost 50%.

Seemed pretty clear to me.

 

[orbframe]

And here is where you earn the ire of more experienced and more skilled riders than yourself. You make absolutely stupid claims. and this time actually contradict yourself.

We get it you are afraid to venture onto public roads. Fine, everyone has their own risk acceptance limits. But when you start passing on utter bullshit advice, many of us are going to point it out.

We get it, you like to ride slowly. You like it, and think that it's fun. Cool, good for you. Somehow you've gotten into your head that extremely slow parking lot maneuvers translate to all areas of street riding. Thing is, you have no personal experience in that area. You discount advice from riders with more experience, knowledge, and skill than you. Weird thing is that you have crashed/fell off your motorcycle more frequently in the last 3 years than I have in the last 20+ years.

You have been known to object when someone takes one of your threads off your intended topic, but just yesterday you posted a random fact and within hours it was pointed out to you that you were wrong (yet again).

The bottom line is that when you make uninformed claims, expect to get called on them. When you make stupid statements, expect to be told they are stupid. When you give advice that is dangerous we're going to point that out too.

These forums are more geared towards your desires:
http://www.trialscentral.com/forums/
http://www.trials.com.au/content/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=6

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[MikeyRocks]

Why even bother anymore? There's no getting through to this guy. Anyone that has to post a section of the TOS in their signature is clearly asking for trouble. I'm starting to wonder why he keeps coming back to this forum when it's pretty clear he's not wanted here. It's like the nerdy kid in school that keeps trying to hang w/ the cool kids.

 

[beginner]

It's like the nerdy kid in school that keeps trying to hang w/ the cool kids.

The cool kids do PLP and are willing to share ideas. That's what interests me. What's the problem?

 

[planegray]

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