• There has been a recent cluster of spammers accessing BARFer accounts and posting spam. To safeguard your account, please consider changing your password. It would be even better to take the additional step of enabling 2 Factor Authentication (2FA) on your BARF account. Read more here.

Smoking Doesn't Affect Anyone Else...

cardinal03

New member
Joined
Feb 1, 2003
Location
SF
Moto(s)
I Like!!!
...but throwing your butts all over the place does.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/19/us/19smoke.html?_r=1&hp

May 19, 2009
Cost of Cigarette Litter May Fall on San Francisco’s Smokers
By JESSE McKINLEY


SAN FRANCISCO — In what he casts as an attack on litterbugs and nicotine addiction alike, Mayor Gavin Newsom wants to impose a fee on an age-old inhabitant of city streets: the cigarette butt.

The proposal, to be introduced next month to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, would add 33 cents to the cost of a pack of cigarettes, to offset the estimated $10.7 million the city spends annually removing discarded butts from gutters, drainpipes and sidewalks.

The added cost, Mr. Newsom hopes, will also dampen smokers’ urge to light up.

“In general, fees help reduce the consumption and use of tobacco,” he said in an interview. “And we think that will have a very beneficial public health component.”

Officials here say the municipal fee would be the first in the country to take aim specifically at cigarette butts, particularly filters, which are not biodegradable. But the idea is expected to run into fierce opposition from tobacco companies.

“Obviously we think people should follow the littering laws, in California and elsewhere,” said Frank Lester, a spokesman for Reynolds American Inc., the nation’s second-largest manufacturer of cigarettes. “But we oppose any additional taxation on smokers to pay for that.”

Philip Morris USA, the nation’s biggest cigarette company, generally echoed that anti-fee sentiment, though it said it would not comment on Mr. Newsom’s proposal specifically until it was formally presented to the board.

San Francisco has already proved to be tough on smokers. Last year the city imposed a ban on the sale of tobacco at drugstores, a restriction that is being challenged in state and federal courts.

Mr. Newsom, moreover, has shown a willingness to legislate good health in other ways, proposing a fee in 2007 on any large store that sells drinks with high levels of fructose corn syrup. This so-called soda tax has not yet been taken up by the Board of Supervisors but is expected to be debated there this summer, said Nathan Ballard, a mayoral spokesman.

Mr. Newsom said cigarette butts became a target after San Francisco’s annual “litter audit” found that cigarette detritus made up a quarter of all the trash in the city’s public spaces. With the city spending some $44 million a year on litter cleanup — and facing a $500 million deficit for the coming fiscal year — a fee was born.

“It’s not a huge part of the overall budget,” the mayor said of the $11 million or so in annual revenue that the fee could generate. “But it’s enough to keep street sweepers employed.”

But Mr. Lester, of Reynolds American, said smokers were often targets of budget-crunched legislators, most recently on April 1, when the federal excise tax on cigarettes rose 62 cents a pack, to $1.01. “We feel smokers are already paying their fair share,” he said.

Serena Chen, regional director of policy and tobacco programs for the American Lung Association in California, said litter-mitigation efforts aimed specifically at cigarettes had been proposed in legislatures in a couple of states (though never enacted), but that a city-level approach was new and welcome.

“Anytime you raise the price of cigarettes, you discourage new starters,” Ms. Chen said, “and you increase the motivation of people who want to quit.”
 
I'm all for it! :thumbup

The vast majority of smokers give no thought at all to throwing their butt on the ground, grounding it out with their foot then leaving it there.

I have zero sympathy for them. :x
 
I see people throw butts out their car windows all the time. I always try to catch them. One of these days I'm gonna get one and throw it right back into the car.
 
I see people throw butts out their car windows all the time. I always try to catch them. One of these days I'm gonna get one and throw it right back into the car.
I always write down their license plate number in case a roadside fire starts in that area, when I see people doing that shit!

Talk about selfish assholes!
 
...damn....thank goodness i dont live in SF...:teeth

seems like it already happened in Japan and this is what they have :teeth

http://www.techfresh.net/zippos-portable-ashtrays/

:teeth Support the USA goods....buy Zippo :teeth

ZI121505.jpg


*thats a portable ashtray :teeth*
 
SF wanted to save money and they removed buttload of garbage cans. Now they bitch about liter. I am not defending people that trow shit on the ground. It just that city gobment is full of idealistic retards.
 
Smokers in general are the most inconsiderate people around. I never understood the concept of "I'll just toss this anywhere. Hey look an ashtray three feet away, oh well I'm gonna throw it on the ground anyway."

I don't really have any sympathy for smokers. So what, SF removed trashcans. Does that make you toss your hamburger wrapper on the ground? No. You look for a garbage can. Then why the cig butt?

SF is smart about this. Instead of trying to further legislate where and how you can smoke (which I disagree with fully), they are saying "fine, we understand you pleople are too stupid and inconsiderate to take care fo yuor garbage. We'll charge you for the cleanup."
 
Smokers in general are the most inconsiderate people around. I never understood the concept of "I'll just toss this anywhere. Hey look an ashtray three feet away, oh well I'm gonna throw it on the ground anyway."

I don't really have any sympathy for smokers. So what, SF removed trashcans. Does that make you toss your hamburger wrapper on the ground? No. You look for a garbage can. Then why the cig butt?

SF is smart about this. Instead of trying to further legislate where and how you can smoke (which I disagree with fully), they are saying "fine, we understand you pleople are too stupid and inconsiderate to take care fo yuor garbage. We'll charge you for the cleanup."

Then they should charge all the fast food joints, take-out places, markets.
How many people do you know that will walk for two-three blocks out of their way to trow sig butt in the trash can?
I used to smoke, and if there was a trash can withing a block, butt went there.
The other thing to remember, it is San Francisco, if this goes trough they will pass another legislation that will take those money and pay for something else.
Assholes. All of them.
 
Haven't smoke cigarettes in years but I was always very conscientious about my butts. While in my car I'd keep a glass bottle with a screw off lid to keep them in rather than fling them out the window. On the street I'd put them out with my foot and rip the filter off and put it in a garbage can. It's not that hard to not be a slob if you try.
 
Haven't smoke cigarettes in years but I was always very conscientious about my butts. While in my car I'd keep a glass bottle with a screw off lid to keep them in rather than fling them out the window. On the street I'd put them out with my foot and rip the filter off and put it in a garbage can. It's not that hard to not be a slob if you try.

+1 I did exactly the same. I just can not undestand how they can expect city to be clean and at the same time take trash cans off the streets? Fucking retarded.
 
I just can not undestand how they can expect city to be clean and at the same time take trash cans off the streets? Fucking retarded.

That's very true. Kinda hard to to the right thing when there is no where to put the trash.
 
I used to smoke many years ago and I always tossed my butts into the trash. It's just the right thing to do... The problem that I see with this tax is that it unfairly targets those who don't throw their butts on the ground. Watch, soon they'll be bitching that their sin tax revenue is going down because there will be less smokers...

Next up, a used condom tax..
 
Watch, soon they'll be bitching that their sin tax revenue is going down because there will be less smokers...

:thumbup The same fucking shit when they want people tp conserve water and then raise price because revenue went down. Or clean streets two times a month instead of four "to save money" and bitching that parking tickets revenue went down. Fucking retards.
 
:thumbup The same fucking shit when they want people tp conserve water and then raise price because revenue went down. Or clean streets two times a month instead of four "to save money" and bitching that parking tickets revenue went down. Fucking retards.

Actually they're raising water rates to help fund upgrades being made to the Hetch Hetchy water system.
 
Back
Top