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So, Dave Ramsey....on car buying....

The Renault Alliance was a Motor Trend Car of the Year, and some people liked it.

:laughing



Back in the early 80s the IMSA races had an Alliance Cup series.... that was some of the most entertaining car racing I had ever seen. At Laguna by the time they hit the Corkscrew and were coming down the hill it looked like a long train of small cars. By lap 2, after the bumpin and the jostling, there were cars flying off the track.

Best vid I could find of one of the races. Still, I wouldn't buy an Alliance....

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Maybe not sensible, but not unreasonable. We make less than 200k, max our 401k, have a 4k mo mortgage, and are paying @1k/mo on a 4 year 50k loan on our Audi comfortably. That take home at 200k is in the region of 8k/mo net after retirement deductions...

Ever think about leasing? $1k/month on a car loan is reDONK. But, hey, I guess you can still order extra cheese on your Whopper. :laughing
 
It's not, really. In many third world countries, and even in parts of Europe motorcycles are used as primary transport. The Honda motorcycle company makes millions per year.
Even on a motorcycle forum here in the US, primary transport is rare.

Unless you have some statistics to cite, I'd say your reply was fairly stupid, and written just to be contrary.:rolleyes

Yes it is. Stupid assumption. It's not contrary.
 
Ever think about leasing? $1k/month on a car loan is reDONK. But, hey, I guess you can still order extra cheese on your Whopper. :laughing

I'll own a $30k+ valued car in 3.5 years, and won't be buying a new one, so no, I didn't decide to just light my money on fire :cool

Also, I have this loan because my $50k is making 10% apy, so paying cash for the car would have been foolish.



Well, buying the car was foolish but that would have been more foolish :rofl
 
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I'm sure Ramsey would love me...I'm that stupid asshole who just keeps taking on zero-down leases with payments that are far under $600 a month. Always driving something newer, always under warranty, paying for the depreciation sure, but not having to suffer as much as those guys trading in every couple of years and yet, I'm still maxing out my 401k contributions with a company that does full matching.

I'm sure this guy's plan works for someone, though.
 
I'm sure Ramsey would love me...I'm that stupid asshole who just keeps taking on zero-down leases with payments that are far under $600 a month. Always driving something newer, always under warranty, paying for the depreciation sure, but not having to suffer as much as those guys trading in every couple of years and yet, I'm still maxing out my 401k contributions with a company that does full matching.

I'm sure this guy's plan works for someone, though.

I would do that, but the premium models don't usually qualify. However, as the world goes electric and the performance is built in, that may become the way..... lmk if you find a 0% on a RS e-tron :rofl
 
I would do that, but the premium models don't usually qualify. However, as the world goes electric and the performance is built in, that may become the way..... lmk if you find a 0% on a RS e-tron :rofl

I refuse to make a down payment for a lease. What dealers don't advertise is that any lease can be done with no down payment, it just changes your monthly payment. But as with anything else, everything is negotiable. I've done with this Ford, BMW, Toyota, Volkswagen and hopefully in the future, with Audi on an RS6 Avant. :drool
 
I refuse to make a down payment for a lease. What dealers don't advertise is that any lease can be done with no down payment, it just changes your monthly payment. But as with anything else, everything is negotiable. I've done with this Ford, BMW, Toyota, Volkswagen and hopefully in the future, with Audi on an RS6 Avant. :drool

Solid strategy if you're getting $0 down payment.
 
It's not a flawless system by a longshot. kneejerk rejection of debt can be just as damaging to people as overuse of debt.

Honestly this seems a lot like a 12 step program for finance more than anything else.

Considering that the potential harm of overuse of debt includes things like eviction, bankruptcy, foreclosure, and homelessness, how can refusal to have debt be just as harmful?

I am guessing you mean that it is harmful to tell someone not to borrow to invest. Because they could be driving a nicer car, or living in a bigger house? I don't think having more savings at retirement is a potential outcome because the people who are struggling with this do not have their behavior in check to be able to even entertain the idea of borrowing to invest. Or, if they do, they don't understand the risk. Mathematically, it only makes sense if you don't account for risk. Their default is borrowing, which begets overspending, and therefore they are far less likely to have the disposable income to invest.

I don't hesitate to recommend Dave's books/show/message to anyone seeking financial advice. People like you are clever enough to not need his advice, so, don't listen to it. People like me take it with a grain of salt. I haven't cut up my credit cards or tithed (nor will I ever), but I have paid off all our household's debt and will be very hesitant to ever take on more debt, save for a mortgage.

As a result, we have saved and invested at a rate far greater than what we did before paying off our debt. It's a mindset/behavior change for most people.
 
I refuse to make a down payment for a lease. What dealers don't advertise is that any lease can be done with no down payment, it just changes your monthly payment. But as with anything else, everything is negotiable. I've done with this Ford, BMW, Toyota, Volkswagen and hopefully in the future, with Audi on an RS6 Avant. :drool

Always try to drive off with as little out of pocket.

Leases I believe automatically comes with gap insurance so who gives a shit if you’re driving around negative equity. Put down $6k to drive off, car gets totaled a couple months later, that $6k is gone since the vehicle depreciated that much as soon as it was titled.

However the money factor (effectively the APR) can be different based on the terms. If one knows absolutely for sure that they are planning to keep the car past the lease (and who really can know that for sure), then examine all the different lease terms vs finance. Sometimes there may be a big incentive to lease which reduces capitalized cost that you can’t get on finance/cash buy. Then the different leases get compared. Sum of the payments using the “advertised” terms, no down, and one pay...plus the residual will equal total cost of the car. Compare that to a finance deal and see where they land. Sometimes lease is the cheaper way.
 
Then you have these braggarts that buy a $40K car at 23 and said that they paid for it all themselves. I'm calling BS :laughing.
5K likes, 600 "you go girl" comments. Feed the consumer machine. Droves of people financing cars and over extending themselves to try and keep up.

VERY good for her.
 
I'm sure Ramsey would love me...I'm that stupid asshole who just keeps taking on zero-down leases with payments that are far under $600 a month. Always driving something newer, always under warranty, paying for the depreciation sure, but not having to suffer as much as those guys trading in every couple of years and yet, I'm still maxing out my 401k contributions with a company that does full matching.

I'm sure this guy's plan works for someone, though.

What if you just pay in cash to outright buy a car you love and keep it for years and years and years and have no particularly big interest in an upgrade?

:dunno
 
What if you just pay in cash to outright buy a car you love and keep it for years and years and years and have no particularly big interest in an upgrade?

:dunno

Clearly you make too much and need to be taxed more :x

You should make a charitable donation to my gas fund.
 
Considering that the potential harm of overuse of debt includes things like eviction, bankruptcy, foreclosure, and homelessness, how can refusal to have debt be just as harmful?

I am guessing you mean that it is harmful to tell someone not to borrow to invest. Because they could be driving a nicer car, or living in a bigger house? I don't think having more savings at retirement is a potential outcome because the people who are struggling with this do not have their behavior in check to be able to even entertain the idea of borrowing to invest. Or, if they do, they don't understand the risk. Mathematically, it only makes sense if you don't account for risk. Their default is borrowing, which begets overspending, and therefore they are far less likely to have the disposable income to invest.

I don't hesitate to recommend Dave's books/show/message to anyone seeking financial advice. People like you are clever enough to not need his advice, so, don't listen to it. People like me take it with a grain of salt. I haven't cut up my credit cards or tithed (nor will I ever), but I have paid off all our household's debt and will be very hesitant to ever take on more debt, save for a mortgage.

As a result, we have saved and invested at a rate far greater than what we did before paying off our debt. It's a mindset/behavior change for most people.

Borrowing to buy a house is almost always going to be more beneficial than paying the same amount towards rent, and often the amounts for one vs. the other are really not that different. That's not saying people should over spend on the house, but they are better off with the debt than pissing away money on rent, that remains true if the mortgage payment is more than 20% of their net income.

Similarly, for people that depend on having a reliable car, taking on a car loan for a reasonable, reliable vehicle, where everything is under warranty and they don't have the risk of a huge payment for an engine blowing up or something major like that, makes sense. Doesn't mean they should buy a 60k mercedes, but calling people out for buying a Camry or similar is silly.

The most egregious one, however, is probably student loans. To be clear, the student loan system is really bad and predatory, I wish it were better. However even with it's flaws, a higher education is the most reliable way for people to get better income and increase their quality of life long term. Telling people to not go to college if they can't pay for education out of pocket is actively doing harm to them.
 
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