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speeding motorcycles, cop, gun, bang!

I don't think the cop was warranted to draw his gun in the first place. The guy was stopped and just chilling for a good number of seconds. His body position wasn't even tense. The cop was probably just hopped off adrenaline and made a really bad decision. Sad, but based just on that video, looks like he was wrong for shooting.
 
JihadiKiller031 said:
Don't lights normally come on AFTER you speed? :facepalm

10 seconds of lights is more then enough time for a bike to accelerate to a high rate of speed to evade....

Yeah I pulled my vehicle over on the side of the road and misjudged some brush. pulled into a ditch. On a back road in Sonoma. Didn't drive intoxicated, through a school zone.

Driving intoxicated is completely different then making a poor judgement call on road width and getting my own vehicle stuck in the brush by pulling over on the side of a back road.

Keep trying to use points unrelated to the topic at hand to justify your idiocy.

Want some more pictures? There are plenty around the internet. I am not hiding anything. Guess I should just stalk you and post pictures of you up to show how something you did relates nothing to the topic at hand....
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Well yeah they do come on after you speed, but that makes your statement about them running untrue. 6 seconds from lights to stop, 6.

And actually pulling your car over into a ditch could have hurt someone, yourself or one of those goofballs that were with you.

Intoxicated...now it's in a school zone? lol, it was at night dude :laughing
 
4tuneit1 said:
Look i understand your points exactly and those others made, but I have to consider more than just the bikers POV in this, play devils advocate or whatever, I expect the anti-authority crowd to rally round the bikers...fuck its BARF ya know? But the case you just made compared to what actually happened in the video are completely 180 degrees polar opposites. Hindsight is a powerful ally to some trying to depict the LE actions in a manner that may or may not be true, the information isn't really there. The reaction the officer made was made in a split second (wrong or not I'm not arguing that because ultimately we all are just giving an opinion without being there or at the trial) This could have turned out like many other news stories...the officer paused longer, the person actually pull a weapon, there would be a dead officer. Not long ago a K9 officer in Ohio was shot dead on a routine stop, no warning, no crazy behavior, just popped in the head at the side of the car. Do I know what threat the officer was feeling when the rider didn't obey his commands, motioned towards his waistband and resulted in the shooting? No..but I do know their actions didn't help a damn thing, and I'm not letting the cops off with zero culpability in the end, I'm just not particularly sympathetic to the person who leads cops into the dark of night to test the limits of human self preservation and the thin blue line between life and death. :|

When I leave my house I have a reasonable expectation that if I obey the law, drive in a safe manner, and do what I do without drawing attention to illegal activity I won't have to test the system. And you know what, it works pretty well for 99.99 of the law abiding public. Again I think this is the exception not the rule we've seen in the vid considering the tremendous volume of high risk stops LE makes on a daily basis and the relative peace society operates. IMO your chances of what happened in the video though increase exponentially if you do a few non compliant things to set off LE radars that was shown in the video as unlawful, and possibly what we didnt see in the video previous to them speeding off. Motorcyclists and cops don't mesh well, its like Tom and Jerry, the adversarial nature and history of cops chasing bikers is old as it gets, I think whats changed is the culture overall that has gotten more violent and changed that interaction from something I knew as a kid as innocent with innocent outcomes, to something more dangerous and threatening with the rise of gangs, drugs, etc.

The standard we're expecting is a high one for LE, and I fully support that, but when these types of situations occur, the hindsight crowd usually can tell us exactly why LE should have acted, how they should have acted, and when. Its a lazy persons arguement based just on emotion. The standard to bear by this reasoning is not attainable to reach a true or intellectually honest end. You can train LE day and night, and how to react to this or that, but there is a grey area that falls on the shoulders of the other party involved especially when that party taunts authority. That reality cannot simply be ignored because anti-authority is the popular thing to say as it usually is here on BARF.

Bottom line. Cop shoots biker and there was no good reason for the whole thing to happen.
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blah blah blah...lot's of worthless words. Anti-authority has nothing to do with a cop paralyzing someone cause he was too gung ho. Also BARF anti authority? That's a laugh:laughing
 
LEO's have a tough job to do with sometimes life/death split second decisions in their hands.

In this case the it appears the LEO made a very bad decision with the biker shot/paralyzed for no good reason.

I can only hope other police departments utilize this scenario and this video to improve the training of their officers to make better decisions on the use of deadly force.
 
VTRZA said:
Well yeah they do come on after you speed, but that makes your statement about them running untrue. 6 seconds from lights to stop, 6.
How would that make it untrue? that would make it more solidified.... ? I know I can get going very fast in 6 seconds. Besides if you watch the video (full dash cam video, its longer than 6 seconds from lights to stop. More like 11. There is this helpful little timer in the top right corner.

And actually pulling your car over into a ditch could have hurt someone, yourself or one of those goofballs that were with you.

I wasn't driving intoxicated! Thats above and beyond more serious to me (Anybody?) then someone misjudging the depth of brush and pulling too far into it at a less than 5mph...

Intoxicated...now it's in a school zone? lol, it was at night dude :laughing

I guess the neighborhoods around schools aren't prime living areas for parents with kids then?
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You honestly can't sit here and watch this video and not see negligence on multiple levels, not just the officers. I've sat here and said the officer was involved in a bad shoot. I've also said that the rider played his part as well, as well as other acts of negligence he did. Yet, you still resort to acting like a fucking child when someone doesn't instantly suck you off on a forum and then you guys resort to trying to use pictures of me at 17 with my vehicle pulled into a ditch and stuck at low speed and compare that to the same negligence as drunk driving through a school zone during any time of day?????
 
only 2 to 8 years, and a $15,000 fine...? max?


i'd do 2 to 8 years and pay $15,000 to put some people i know in a wheelchair the rest of their life. well ok, maybe i wouldnt, no one has pissed me off quite that much.... but damn, pretty light punishment i'd say. how about 12 years minimal and $500,000? sounds about on par
 
JihadiKiller031 said:
You honestly can't sit here and watch this video and not see negligence on multiple levels, not just the officers. I've sat here and said the officer was involved in a bad shoot. I've also said that the rider played his part as well, as well as other acts of negligence he did. Yet, you still resort to acting like a fucking child when someone doesn't instantly suck you off on a forum and then you guys resort to trying to use pictures of me at 17 with my vehicle pulled into a ditch and stuck at low speed and compare that to the same negligence as drunk driving through a school zone during any time of day?????
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hahahahaha man this keeps getting better.....are you kicking your feet and banging your fists on the floor right now?:laughing
 
I am fucking done with you dude. I hope they fucking ban you. You are nothing but a shit starter, you don't provide anything valid other then talking trash and starting shit with people who don't agree with you. You don't even debate anything most of the time, just sit and talk shit about people instead of providing any validation to what you are saying.

Keep talking shit.
 
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JihadiKiller031 said:
Yeah I pulled my vehicle over on the side of the road and misjudged some brush. pulled into a ditch. On a back road in Sonoma. *EDIT* I was 17 when this happened. I'm 24 now...
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you think you were justified in screwing up because you were 17 and on a back road. you took the time to pose and take pics. you laughed it off. it was funny.

this guy will never walk again because of an underskilled cop and a traffic violation that is infinitely less than the one you committed in this photo.
 
LOL, finally watched this video.

That cop is an idiot. Put him in jail. There's no two ways about it, these two guys on their bikes weren't doing shit and the guy who was shot was just sitting there. Hand reaching for a gun my ass. If you're going to shoot everyone who has a hand hidden for a couple seconds you shouldn't be a cop.

Put some of these idiot cops in jail and we will have fewer instances of this bullshit.
 
greggargubby said:
you think you were justified in screwing up because you were 17 and on a back road. you took the time to pose and take pics. you laughed it off. it was funny.

this guy will never walk again because of an underskilled cop and a traffic violation that is infinitely less than the one you committed in this photo.
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Its not justification, its painting a picture. Developing a story to allow others to make opinions. I never justified myself with anything like "Nobody got hurt though." or "I was just a kid, so I have an excuse". I said I was 17, it was on a back road in Sonoma and I made a bad judgement call on the depth of a ditch on the side of the road while pulling over at low speed to stop and take a different picture and said that I feel it is nowhere near comparable to knowingly driving while intoxicated.

I was not a 24 year old motorcyclist who decided to get on my bike INTOXICATED and drive through a school zone.

I was not the officer who made a judgement call that resulted in a bad shoot.


I'm the guy who watched the video someone posted.

Gave my opinion on why it was a bad shoot regardless of the actions of the rider that COULD have given the officer reason behind pulling the trigger.

Said the rider was an idiot for driving intoxicated, how his intoxication could have led the officer to make his decision, and how he is lucky that all he got was paralyzed by an officer who made a bad decision instead of taking someone else's life including his own over some booze and weed.

P.S. What traffic violation did I commit? I pulled over on the side of the road. There was no signs posted there saying that it was a no stopping area. SO explain what laws I broke?
 
JihadiKiller031 said:
I am fucking done with you dude. I hope they fucking ban you. You are nothing but a shit starter, you don't provide anything valid other then talking trash and starting shit with people who don't agree with you. You don't even debate anything most of the time, just sit and talk shit about people instead of providing any validation to what you are saying.

Keep talking shit.
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Just cause you say it, doesn't make it true. Also, you're cute when you're having a tantrum :D
 
Keith-

It's uncalled for and childish. Don't expect someone to not get pissed off if you put them on blast just because they disagree ,or, the funny part in this thread is that I've already agreed with you on multiple levels about the officers wrong doing but I chose to also point out the riders wrong doing as well.

Don't post on a fucking forum if you can't take opinions other then your own without resorting to name calling and digging up pictures of someone that don't even pertain to the subject.
 
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JihadiKiller031 said:
It's uncalled for and childish. Don't expect someone to not get pissed off if you put them on blast just because they disagree ,or, the funny part in this thread is that I've already agreed with you on multiple levels about the officers wrong doing but I chose to also point out the riders wrong doing as well.

Don't post on a fucking forum if you can't take opinions other then your own without resorting to name calling and digging up pictures of someone that don't even pertain to the subject.
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I didn't put any pictures of you anywhere you silly goose. That was the other guy. Maybe if you stopped your lil tantrum and took a time out you might be able to see that.
 
4tuneit1 said:
Want to tempt a TOS suspension go bye bye?? ...keep it up you're treading on thin ice here with the personally threats. No where did I say the cop wasn't guilty, or said the biker had full guilt. I simply put it in real world terms that both of these bikers just made a bad mistake that got one shot, even if the cop was in the wrong, they made the bad choice to make a FELONY pursuit out of a traffic violation. So you're wrong. It wasn't just speeding. The cop didn't know if these two were involved in a prior felony causing them to speed away, and we don't have both sides of the story. The hand movement the biker made could have been conceived as a motion to draw a gun, even if it was bad protocol it is enough reasoning and shown on tape to draw a decent arguement from the officers defense. You've shown a disposition here to reject, mock, and now call for violence against me, for harboring a different opinion. This is becoming a trend of yours in thread after thread VTRZA...maybe you need the vacation from BARF.
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This guy is going to spend the rest of his life paralyzed from the waist down because of the officer's actions. That guy is pretty young, and now he's looking at a life full of missed opportunities, closed doors, and challenges. I'm usually on the side of the police, but this guy didn't do anything to deserve this. How fucked up is it that the officers actions in just a few seconds completely and detrimentally affected the rest of the time that's guy is going to spend on earth. I hope officer white gets prison time. :thumbdown
 
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I read the edit, and so be it. If you actually feel that way about respecting others opinions than I'd rather you not ever respond to anything in any of my threads or any of my replies in the future. Same goes with anyone who can't deal with differing POV's.
 
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