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steering stabilizer?

ohhh now we are talking insurance??? not functunality and rider technique

Again you argue as a what if.... My original argument was based on rider inputs CAUSING the majority of tank slappers... thus bringing a steering dampner down to a crutch!!!
 
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Cheyenne said:
So Yakoo, if you ended up in a tank slapper on the street, and crashed because of it, would you then purchase a steering damper? after you get out of the hospital? Instead of preventing the event in the first place?


Disclosure: I don't have one, and I ride like an asshole.
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New thought for the insurance minded...

Why do you not run out and invest in traction control... all the racers have it and if you have ever lowsided than you KNOW it will greatly help you

or maybe you should invest in LEARNING proper throttle inputs for a variety of situations and scenarios.... seems to me that will stop far more tank slappers and far more low sides... but you can buy whatever crutch you need to assist you in riding
 
Geeze guys. How about putting the e-penors away and dealing with the Original Question? :p





And for the record, I don't really see a need for a steering dampener either, but hey... Whatever floats yer boat. :thumbup
 
the original question was answered...
I would NOT run two steering dampners at once.... specifically one that is electrically controlled and one that is manually.

You should be able to cut and splice a wire around the old electric dampner that tricks the ECU into thinking that it is still there

but here you go
Yeah too easy.. Put a multimeter on it and it measures 12.4 ohms and the voltage appiled is 10.29volts DC and as it is a solenoid and not a MOV (motor operated valve) it would not vary the voltage. So with that I did a quick ohms law calc and get 0.83 amp current draw and now that I know the current I can work out the wattage to be P= VxI so its 8.5 watts.. Just need to go to an electronics shop and get a 12 to 13 ohm, 8.5w or greater (may put in a 15 to 20w, just so it doesnt heat up) and she's sorted.. I will do this and let ya know how it goes, eh..:punk I covered this in the PAIR valve thread but I guess it bears repeating. The ECU monitors voltage, not current. Think about it...the ECU wants to know if the motor/solenoid coil is open circuit or disconnected. Usually one end of the coil is connected to +12V and the other is switched to ground by the ECU to turn it on or step it. When the switched side is not grounded what you have is basically many feet of wire wrapped in a coil and connected to +12V at one end. Guess what it will read if you put a meter across the other end when its not switched? +12V. Or think of it this way...the voltage drop across the coil is Volts = Amps / Resistance. When the switched end of the coil is not grounded no current is flowing, or... Amps = 0. 0/13ohms = 0. Voltage drop across the coil is 0. +12V on one end minus 0 = +12V on the other end. So if the coil is good and connected the ECU will see +12V when the coil is not energized. If the coil is disconnected or broken inside the ECU will see 0V. You do not need a big 10 watt resistor that is going to get all hot to fake out the ECU. If you measure the series current thru the coil when it is off you'll find it probably draws about 1mA of monitor current. I would try a 1000 ohm 1/2 watt resistor first.
 
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steering dampners are a great investment. It filters some of the negative things that happen during hard cornering and hard acceleration and anything that might disrupt your bikes suspension. I don't consider it a crutch but after riding the track my first couple of years without one then finally buying one I notice all of the positive's to having one.

Your argument is very flawed because you have stated nothing negative about one besides it being a crutch??? It by no means is a crutch thats like saying having disc brakes is a crutch or yes traction control. These are just things that are both legal and allow you to ride faster and safer.

If a dampner gives you peace of mind and allows you to ride faster then get one. I bought one and I would say that with it I'm faster and much more comfortable underneath my bike.

Your other argument is that if you need one than you must be a bad rider is flawed also. Many things happen out on the track that aren't induced by the rider but by the surface and or someone else on the track pushing you off line etc. etc. so why not have that in your reserve

Make me understand a negative aspect??? besides you not having one
 
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CuriousMike said:
Just wait for your first tank slapper.

You will hand Jesus your Visa # and have him overnight you a Scotts/HyperPro.
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Yakoo11 said:
I have had quite a few of them never gone down yet I know exactly what a steering dampner does that wasn't my question...

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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
So Yakoo, if you ended up in a tank slapper on the street, and crashed because of it, would you then purchase a steering damper?


Yakoo:been there done that and nope I didn't run out and buy 1...
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I got Scotts
Some people use them
Some people don't
For the OP ""dollabill"" Use only one; and try to find on Google a way to trick the computer or maby there is a company out their which already has a product for that!!!!? Maby call the dealer or a race shop to see if they can help?
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dollabill said:
i have a k7 gsxr 1000. i just had my scott stabilizer installed. the shop took out my stock one and now the code light is always on. is it possible to use both stabilizers or is it a must that i remove the stock one? thanks...
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Question OP.... did the shop remove the wiring for the Damper as well? Typically when removing a stock electronic Damper it WILL throw a code if its unplug from the ecu or "regulator" Now if you simply remove the plug from the back of the solenoid (keeping the other end plugged in) and zip tie the wire somewhere in your upper fairing badabing badaboom no codes. I have figured this out from past experiences...

btw I run subpar street tires on the track because race slicks are obviously a crutch and mean your a terrible rider :rofl

Smart move upgrading the damper OP, its a good investment, those
electronic ones are practically useless IMO.

Safe:ride
 
R6Raff said:
btw I run subpar street tires on the track because race slicks are obviously a crutch and mean your a terrible rider :rofl

Smart move upgrading the damper OP, its a good investment, those
electronic ones are practically useless IMO.

Safe:ride
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for those that fail to read the whole thread.... My argument is not "track" related, but street related... I run track/dot race tires at the track because that is what they are designed to be run at... temperature aggressiveness pressure... a street tires design is guess what designed to be ridden at the street... hmmm fancy that :twofinger Do you run race slicks on the street because dot tires are less than???? ummm yeah

the electronic ones are useless???? I have ridden plenty of miles on the k8 and I see its usage in fact MANY gsxr riders prefer to keep their stock one and dump the 5 weight oil and put in 20 weight to IMPROVE its usage...hell that is what I did and guess what A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE. fancy that again

and for you jmonte read my argument again.... the whole argument... I am not saying they do not have their place on the TRACK but to get one for the street is overkill.... IMHO.... if you have the scratch or the concern and a steering damper will quiet it than go buy one... and yes if you are riding the street only and NEED a steering damper than yes I feel you are doing it WRONG...
 
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I should run out and go disable the ABS in my car because if I lock up in the snow and plow into some cars I'll be sound in the knowledge that it was my fault and I should have prepared better.
 
so ABS was an aftermarket part you installed??? didn't think so :rolleyes

Do F1 cars have ABS? Does Nascar have ABS.... I didn't think so either... (I could be way wrong here because this is an assumption of mine)
FWIW in F1 ABS is BANNED....because they DEEM it to be a driver aid (CRUTCH)
go add some logic to your argument and come back...

ABS IS A CRUTCH

FWIW BTW... I have the ABS on my truck disabled... it is WAY TOO unpredictable in the dirt...

And I think that since FIA has deemed many things to be crutches (driver aids... ABS,traction control, semi automatic gearbox, launch control) than YES a steering damper would be a driver aid and hence a CRUTCH
 
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ummmm, yeah...................................

My argument was what exactly than, or what is yours?

I am not saying that a SD (steering damper) has no use but.... you are comparing apples to oranges

How may time in the snow do you run into low traction braking scenarios and how many times on a bike do you run into tank slappers? 100:1???? 1000:1???? 10000000:1????

tank slappers are pretty easily avoidable.... sliding on snow/ice not so much, in fact, it is expected.... and I grew up in chicago I have spent more hours in the snow driving than you probably have seen snow.... ABS in the snow is FTMFFail.... people use it as a crutch to go faster than they should... if they adjusted their speed, acceleration habits and braking habits than guess what.... it would NEVER be utilized... same as a steering damper on bike!!!
 
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