steering stabilizer?

[Killroy1999]

I should run out and go disable the ABS in my car because if I lock up in the snow and plow into some cars I'll be sound in the knowledge that it was my fault and I should have prepared better.

ABS has saved hundreds of thousands of lives especially on semi trailers.

 

[gambit45]

Bling and bragging rights are a big factor when getting a steering damper.

The steering "stabilizers" that come stock on Daytona 675's have pretty much zero dampening ability. After getting a Pitbull radial style the stability of my bike in certain street conditions is MUCH better. It's bling only if it has no real world functionality.:|

 

[maxboxa]

why does seeing the word DAMPNER over and over again evoke the baby eating, eye gouging, murderous demon from deep within my soul?

 

[louemc]

It's lacks the calming effect of a Damper?

 

[Desmodromic]

The steering "stabilizers" that come stock on Daytona 675's have pretty much zero dampening ability. After getting a Pitbull radial style the stability of my bike in certain street conditions is MUCH better. It's bling only if it has no real world functionality.:|

This is also true with the new ZX10r's stock ohlins units, there is no valving (not sure about the new zx6r)!

 

[gambit45]

This is also true with the new ZX10r's stock ohlins units, there is no valving (not sure about the new zx6r)!

Ohlin's with no valving I would have expected more from a brand like them.

 

[Desmodromic]

Ohlin's with no valving I would have expected more from a brand like them.

Well, Kawi is the client... I'm assuming that's how they wanted the units to come (cheaper probly).

 

[Aluisious]

why does seeing the word DAMPNER over and over again evoke the baby eating, eye gouging, murderous demon from deep within my soul?

cuz your forum dampner is out of adjustment, try using a heavier oil so the threads dont spin out of control so quick

 

[louemc]

This is also true with the new ZX10r's stock ohlins units, there is no valving (not sure about the new zx6r)!

Huh? Where is this gem from? There are massive voices of discontent (on the ZX-10.net site) about the valving. The stock Ohlins dampers, even at the highest setting, don't quite get to the desired damping, and owners have aftermarket services re-do, the valving to change that.

I believe Kyle Racing, in Seaside is one such service for that.

No Valving?
Surely you have wrong info, and worse yet, don't know wrong from right.

 

[Z3n]

I like dampers. They're nice not as bandaids for bad setup, or anything else, but because riding, both track and street, can throw some weird situations at you, and sometimes a damper is the difference between riding away and having your leathers cut off you.

The electronic ones seem to be hit or miss, the one of my friend's CBR1000RR was miserable at anything over 100mph, as it wouldn't let the bars turn. I suspect there was a problem with his bike though.

I wouldn't run a trackbike, regardless of setup, without one. I've had highsides turn into wheel chirping, side to side hops, and sometimes the difference between staying on the bike and taking a long trip through a short dirt runoff is a damper on your bike. Headshake and tank slappers will sometimes occur at other times as well, and having something on your side to sort them out is good. Cheap insurance.

 

[jmonte35]

for those that fail to read the whole thread.... My argument is not "track" related, but street related... I run track/dot race tires at the track because that is what they are designed to be run at... temperature aggressiveness pressure... a street tires design is guess what designed to be ridden at the street... hmmm fancy that Do you run race slicks on the street because dot tires are less than???? ummm yeah

the electronic ones are useless???? I have ridden plenty of miles on the k8 and I see its usage in fact MANY gsxr riders prefer to keep their stock one and dump the 5 weight oil and put in 20 weight to IMPROVE its usage...hell that is what I did and guess what A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE. fancy that again

and for you jmonte read my argument again.... the whole argument... I am not saying they do not have their place on the TRACK but to get one for the street is overkill.... IMHO.... if you have the scratch or the concern and a steering damper will quiet it than go buy one... and yes if you are riding the street only and NEED a steering damper than yes I feel you are doing it WRONG...

Are you huffing gas bro. Things can happen on the street just as easily and the surface isn't nearly as good as a race track. Even going the speed limit things can happen....whether avoiding an animal or another car etc. etc. If there is a reason to have one on the track than there is certainly a need for one on the street.

It could be used as a crutch if its intended purpose was to settle an innapropriatly set suspension but a damper is another piece of possibly life saving equipment. It is probably used to its full potential on the track but that doesn't negate the fact that in certain situations it can save lives on the street whether its caused by the person or not.

You can hate all you want but there will come a time when you will be in a situation where a steering damper could be the only thing standing between you and possible disaster. Safe riding to you but I think you'd agree that a stabilizer some day could prevent you from having a horrible accident? Also do you where a full face helmet or a skull cap?? Just curious. I think you catch my drift.

Oh and why would you buy track tires for the track when AMA level racers can use street tires and still go much faster than you could ever go.....wait a sec didn't you just argue the fact that since AMA racers use steering dampers and our abilitys aren't near theres than why would we buy them. Aren't you riding race tires that you can't nearly exploit the way an AMA racer does or even club racer.......hmmmm I think you are using them as a crutch my friend.

Here's your definition of a crutch-anything that serves as a temporary and often inappropriate support, supplement, or substitute;

Insurance- any means of guaranteeing against loss or harm

 

[Yakoo752]

A.... I was just razzing the OP about changing out the SD on his bike....
and then someone had to go and get all holier than thou *cough*cough* ^^^ *cough*cough* so I was "forced" into defending my razz....

geez

Your argument above about how it can be used to settle inappropriately set suspension... leads me to say why not save the money on a sd and get your suspension set right (i know 400 fo an sd 40 for a suspension setup...) hmm I know where I spent my money!!!

I have been in situations where I wished I had an sd... wheeling out of turn 9 or turn 5 at thill.... always makes me pucker up... your coming down into a freakin turn, almost sets you instantly up for a tank slapper

Yes I am using my tires as a crutch... ... the bt002r/s is a dedicated track tire???? just like the ntech211s right??? i get it now... or how about I run a street tire on the track (ding ding ding... I DO)

so to summarize if you routinely get tankslappers than you should go buy a sd.... do not get your suspension fixed (which forks travel in a linear (vertical) manner and tank slappers in a linear (horizontal) manner so I am not sure how related the two truly are...) and do not try and figure out why YOU get so many tankslappers... that way you never actually correct the original problem... because the sd will correct the problem for you....

now do you see my argument about sds??? probably not because you are right and i am wrong...

 

[Sharky]

A.... I was just razzing the OP about changing out the SD on his bike....
and then someone had to go and get all holier than thou *cough*cough* ^^^ *cough*cough* so I was "forced" into defending my razz....

geez

Your argument above about how it can be used to settle inappropriately set suspension... leads me to say why not save the money on a sd and get your suspension set right (i know 400 fo an sd 40 for a suspension setup...) hmm I know where I spent my money!!!

I have been in situations where I wished I had an sd... wheeling out of turn 9 or turn 5 at thill.... always makes me pucker up... your coming down into a freakin turn, almost sets you instantly up for a tank slapper

Yes I am using my tires as a crutch... ... the bt002r/s is a dedicated track tire???? just like the ntech211s right??? i get it now... or how about I run a street tire on the track (ding ding ding... I DO)

so to summarize if you routinely get tankslappers than you should go buy a sd.... do not get your suspension fixed (which forks travel in a linear (vertical) manner and tank slappers in a linear (horizontal) manner so I am not sure how related the two truly are...) and do not try and figure out why YOU get so many tankslappers... that way you never actually correct the original problem... because the sd will correct the problem for you....

now do you see my argument about sds??? probably not because you are right and i am wrong...

Someone pee in your Cheerios this morning??

 

[gambit45]

A.... I was just razzing the OP about changing out the SD on his bike....
and then someone had to go and get all holier than thou *cough*cough* ^^^ *cough*cough* so I was "forced" into defending my razz....

geez

Your argument above about how it can be used to settle inappropriately set suspension... leads me to say why not save the money on a sd and get your suspension set right (i know 400 fo an sd 40 for a suspension setup...) hmm I know where I spent my money!!!

I have been in situations where I wished I had an sd... wheeling out of turn 9 or turn 5 at thill.... always makes me pucker up... your coming down into a freakin turn, almost sets you instantly up for a tank slapper

Yes I am using my tires as a crutch... ... the bt002r/s is a dedicated track tire???? just like the ntech211s right??? i get it now... or how about I run a street tire on the track (ding ding ding... I DO)

so to summarize if you routinely get tankslappers than you should go buy a sd.... do not get your suspension fixed (which forks travel in a linear (vertical) manner and tank slappers in a linear (horizontal) manner so I am not sure how related the two truly are...) and do not try and figure out why YOU get so many tankslappers... that way you never actually correct the original problem... because the sd will correct the problem for you....

now do you see my argument about sds??? probably not because you are right and i am wrong...

If your aim was to give an opinion to the OP about not changing out the stock damper and trying to figure out what was wrong with it, why not just say so?

I swear Yak 12 years of riding and on this site for less than a year (or maybe another screen name before?) and since day one of appearing on Barf you come off as a know-it-all in-your-face person. If that's your intention, so be it but if you REALLY want to get your point across why not tone it down a notch and be productive to a couple of threads without inciting riot everywhere you type.

 

[Yakoo752]

someone pee in your cheerios this morning???



I am sorry if someone read my op in this thread and got their feelings hurt

See if you actually put your feelings aside and read what was actually written.... as in not read what you wanted to read and not read into stuff... than you might actually see that I NEVER called anyone out in this thread in no manner....

in fact it wasn't until multiple members read my op in this thread and said "OMGEEEE he must be talking about me, because I put an aftermarket steering damper on my bike...." and thus started this whole discussion about the usefulness of steering dampers.

 

[gambit45]

someone pee in your cheerios this morning???



I am sorry if someone read my op in this thread and got their feelings hurt

See if you actually put your feelings aside and read what was actually written.... as in not read what you wanted to read and not read into stuff... than you might actually see that I NEVER called anyone out in this thread in no manner....

in fact it wasn't until multiple members read my op in this thread and said "OMGEEEE he must be talking about me, because I put an aftermarket steering damper on my bike...." and thus started this whole discussion about the usefulness of steering dampers.

Actually it's you who seem to be the one who responds as if YOUR feelings are hurt.

You made a blanket statement that SD's are useless on the streets and more than a few people responded. You then went on with some good info about how to fix it but continued with the slant of making some glaring retorts full of and all kinds of statements defending yourself of your opinions in the subject to the point of, yes, pretty much calling out everyone who dissagreed with you.

Yak, you got smarts why not use them toward a little better diplomacy?

 

[jmonte35]

Dude you really must be high I never said I bought a SD for a suspension problem but not gonna lie I did have a really bad set up when I tried a 125/195 tire set up on my bike which I got for free and it really whacked my geometry so I used the damper as a "crutch" to get me through a day while I was getting it dialed by Moss.

I was referring to you ways in which a SD is used as a "crutch". Having your suspension properly tuned is a good start but not even the best suspensions in the world work for every corner or bump. Theres always a give/take. I'm not the one who says they get tank slappers YOU WERE. In fact in all my years of riding both street and track I've only had lock to lock slappers a handful of times. Minor head shake and speed wobble I get on nearly every lap especially at t-hill coming down the hills but its something that is normal with my set up and I'm actually faster but the SD helps smooth out those things.

Your argument is retarded....no one hear is arguing that people sometimes have some suspension problems and use the SD to smooth some of these things out however there is no perfect suspension and there is no way to cure all head shake/speedwobble or even sometimes tank slappers. But a safe alternative to all of the above is buy a steering damper.

You say you get brown flag moments down the hill into 10 at T-hill....let me guess your suspension is perfect...which I have no doubts it probably is set up well for t-hill but I bet if you bought a damper you could get on the gas harder and with less "pucker" moments and be a faster rider but I guess you like those moments and figure that its just how bad of a rider you are. C'mon bro get real. You have no argument here and now you're talking out of your ass.

 

[Sharky]

someone pee in your cheerios this morning???



I am sorry if someone read my op in this thread and got their feelings hurt

See if you actually put your feelings aside and read what was actually written.... as in not read what you wanted to read and not read into stuff... than you might actually see that I NEVER called anyone out in this thread in no manner....

in fact it wasn't until multiple members read my op in this thread and said "OMGEEEE he must be talking about me, because I put an aftermarket steering damper on my bike...." and thus started this whole discussion about the usefulness of steering dampers.

You miss the ?

 

[Ironbutt]

i have a k7 gsxr 1000. i just had my scott stabilizer installed. the shop took out my stock one and now the code light is always on. is it possible to use both stabilizers or is it a must that i remove the stock one? thanks...

Theze are my stearing stabilizers..

 

[ucb]

Im not sure how a damper works without valving, maybe you mean adjustable valving?

I have the gpr on mine..also works in reverse..crank it up to prevent twitchy bikes from turning too fast