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The debate about gear rages on

Ant said:
Lemmee see if I get this:

The same forum that goes balistic when they think the government is telling people what they should or shouldn't do for their own good is telling people what they should wear for their own good.

:laughing
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Most people in life find it acceptable to tell others what to do, but can't sand to be ordered to do something by anyone else. At least in my experience.
 
Ant said:
Lemmee see if I get this:

The same forum that goes balistic when they think the government is telling people what they should or shouldn't do for their own good is telling people what they should wear for their own good.

:laughing
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So freaking true. :laughing
 
Bravnik said:
I don't understand this type of thinking. Learning how to fall is not going to do anything to help prevent your skin from peeling off at 60mph as you tumble down the road. Falling right can prevent broken bones and such but will do NOTHING to prevent the loss of skin, fingers, toes, face etc.
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What, you think learning to fall would preclude the use of gear? Gear and learning to fall correctly is about injury prevention when you've lost all options and just along for the ride at the mercy of physics.

Even with gear, the loss of body parts is possible. I once shook hands with Troy Bayliss. Very odd handshake... because he's missing most of his right pinkie finger. Lost it in a race crash while fully geared up with top notch gloves. I've seen a number of riders who crashed in full top notch gear, and yet managed to break a wrist or a leg because they landed badly-- instead of breaking a fall, they tried to stop the fall. So badly a football coach or a Judo instructor could only sigh and facepalm, because their novice students would've likely performed better.

Gear isn't some magic fucking fairy armor. It certainly helps with survivability and reduces and sometimes prevents traumatic injuries, but it ain't a guarantee.

Honestly, I don't understand your kind of thinking. If you were really interested in your own survival and safety, gear would be a consideration, but so would physical training. Learning to hit the ground and minimize injury isn't something you can learn by sitting in a chair and pretending, or by reading about it in a magazine. Basically, if you ignore that part, you've forgot to gear up your brain, because these kinds of things are done on reflex: if you have to think about it, its too late. Kind of a failure in terms of ATGATT, if the goal is to turn maiming crashes into recoverable ones.
 
So the lesson to take away from this, is that gear nazis ain't got nothing on judo nazis :twofinger
 
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louemc said:
:thumbup, I had a KX500..last air cooled one, dual spark plugs...OMG in the desert where Ya got room...Well OMG says it all.

My 495 KTM was easier, so faster...But the KX was just explosive...so there was a fun factor there...
A lot like My ZX10, it is ready to kill me, in a heart beat :laughing
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I've had a KTM500MXC, a couple CR500s, a YZ490, and a few YZ465s. I've had to pull over at Clear Creek after getting thumped in the chest by a rock bigger than a golf ball and just sit there and cry for a minute before I could take off and try to roost them back. Those were fun times.
 
ALANRIDER7 said:
Would you attempt to climb Mt. Everest without a parka? :twofinger
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I'm thinking these are the same people as kids that called their mom a safety nazi when she advised them not to run with scissors... :rolleyes
 
Breaking Daniel said:
Oh yeah, and those too of course.


ALL THE TIME? Well isn't that closed minded. What if it was 140 degrees out. Would you still wear EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME? My guess is no. And yes, plenty of people do ride in places where it hits 140 regularly. Why not take an educated approach to it, and dress as each ride requires?
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actually i lived in TN and rode without a jacket a numerous times. FInd myself sunburnt and dehydrated. Wore some perforated gear with some wet hankies and discovered that wearing the gear was better than not in those temps and humidity.

Now-a-days going through areas of 110, i wear well ventalated gear. still douse hankies in water and shove em into my gear. instant A/C. no sunburn.

i dont really care if people wear gear or not. but its become a generalization associated with squids ... more often than not i find em lane splitting past me at 100mph.

speaknig of which, saw a squid tonight with his g/f on the back - at night... no headlights or taillights on a black motorcycle :/ zipped right past me on the freeway. nearly clipped me *cry*
 
How many here have protection specific to chest and abdomen?

Other than an armored leather jacket, I certainly don't.

Seems that would be the second highest priority after a DOT full face helmet.

Is there such a thing as an abdomen/chest protector for under street leathers?

Evidently the most frequent severe injuries to legs are fractures.

Will armor at knees/hips/tailbone really prevent those?

Feet, back and hands not mentioned in summary, though I'd never ride without moto gloves, moto boots or back protector.

"While lower-extremity injuries were more frequent, head, chest, and abdominal injuries
tended to be more severe. An estimated 97 per
cent of AIS 2 or higher (2+) lower-extremity
injuries were of AIS 2 or 3. Injured motorcyclists
sustain more leg injuries than any other type of
lower-extremity injury, with bone fractures being more common than
soft-tissue injuries."


http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810982.pdf
 
Actually if you read the Hurt report, the most common injuries are head, followed by neck/shoulder, followed by back.

GAJ said:
How many here have protection specific to chest and abdomen?

Other than an armored leather jacket, I certainly don't.

Seems that would be the second highest priority after a DOT full face helmet.

Is there such a thing as an abdomen/chest protector for under street leathers?

Evidently the most frequent severe injuries to legs are fractures.

Will armor at knees/hips/tailbone really prevent those?

Feet, back and hands not mentioned in summary, though I'd never ride without moto gloves, moto boots or back protector.

"While lower-extremity injuries were more frequent, head, chest, and abdominal injuries
tended to be more severe. An estimated 97 per
cent of AIS 2 or higher (2+) lower-extremity
injuries were of AIS 2 or 3. Injured motorcyclists
sustain more leg injuries than any other type of
lower-extremity injury, with bone fractures being more common than
soft-tissue injuries."


http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810982.pdf
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This is a far newer analysis:

"Crash information was obtained from examination of the National Automotive
Sampling System/General Estimate System
(NASS/GES) for the years 1997 to 2006. The
Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS)
from 1997 through 2006 was
used to establish a
trend in motorcycle-related fatalities. Due to lack of medical information in NHTSA-acquired
crash data such as NASS/GES and FARS, the
National Trauma Data Bank-National Sample
Program (NTDB-NSP) from 2003
through 2005 was used to identify the injury distribution by
body region for injured motorcyclists treated in le
vel I or II trauma centers and to examine the
frequency and type of lower-extremity injuries, hospital charges, and discharge disposition for
motorcyclists who sustained lower-extremity injuries."
 
GAJ said:
How many here have protection specific to chest and abdomen?

Other than an armored leather jacket, I certainly don't.

Seems that would be the second highest priority after a DOT full face helmet.

Is there such a thing as an abdomen/chest protector for under street leathers?

Evidently the most frequent severe injuries to legs are fractures.

Will armor at knees/hips/tailbone really prevent those?

Feet, back and hands not mentioned in summary, though I'd never ride without moto gloves, moto boots or back protector.

"While lower-extremity injuries were more frequent, head, chest, and abdominal injuries
tended to be more severe. An estimated 97 per
cent of AIS 2 or higher (2+) lower-extremity
injuries were of AIS 2 or 3. Injured motorcyclists
sustain more leg injuries than any other type of
lower-extremity injury, with bone fractures being more common than
soft-tissue injuries."


http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810982.pdf
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this is the ONE thing in which I think anyone who does without is a total idiot. straight up forre a fucking retard. no gloves. if you fall WALKING DOWN THE STREET your hands get tore the fuck up. literaly walking speed on asphalt your hands will get hurt.
 
GAJ said:
How many here have protection specific to chest and abdomen?

Other than an armored leather jacket, I certainly don't.

Seems that would be the second highest priority after a DOT full face helmet.

Is there such a thing as an abdomen/chest protector for under street leathers?

Evidently the most frequent severe injuries to legs are fractures.

Will armor at knees/hips/tailbone really prevent those?

Feet, back and hands not mentioned in summary, though I'd never ride without moto gloves, moto boots or back protector.

"While lower-extremity injuries were more frequent, head, chest, and abdominal injuries
tended to be more severe. An estimated 97 per
cent of AIS 2 or higher (2+) lower-extremity
injuries were of AIS 2 or 3. Injured motorcyclists
sustain more leg injuries than any other type of
lower-extremity injury, with bone fractures being more common than
soft-tissue injuries."


http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810982.pdf
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My velocity gear "juggernaut" upper body protection system is a full wrap for the body. Hard chest plates, elbow, shoulder, back, kidneys. Check out the website. Just pulled all the crappy foam out of the leather jacket and wear this under it.
 
kevin 714 said:
this is the ONE thing in which I think anyone who does without is a total idiot. straight up forre a fucking retard. no gloves. if you fall WALKING DOWN THE STREET your hands get tore the fuck up. literaly walking speed on asphalt your hands will get hurt.
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Yep, agreed. I'd ride without a jacket LONG before I'd ride without gloves. Hands hit the ground extremely often.
 
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