The Official 2017/2018 NFL Thread

[Bay Arean]

Brady had his leg broken, which isn’t terrible but he was no spring chicken either. I’m an Elway fan, but I cannot deny Brady’s greatness (damn that hurt to type). Brady has been successful with a fair number of nobodies or somebody’s that spend more time injured than playing. Montana had Rice, Taylor, Clark, and Craig.

Yeah, but in time I think the lustre for all but Rice has diminished. I don't think Craig is remembered by anybody but us fanboys anymore. People don't talk much about Eric Dickerson either but he was huge in those days. Clark was one of several Walsh-chosen receivers through the years who were really good at being tall guys who could reliably catch and were not expected to do much more than fall down in position or snag a few yards as a bonus. The long legs made Clark seem great, ran like a horse.

Jerry Rice is just so far out there. Man, speaking of GOATs.

Because I am of the Blue persuasion, even tho i never attended, I have to officially remind you that I hate Elway because everybody hates Elway. Thing is, the guy always threw the ball too hard. He NEVER got the hot dog out of him and I honestly feel he could have had more rings. And I'm still pissed about the snowball. But he had great receivers and teammates too. I think the 80s were just a great time. The Niners, the 85 Bears, oh man, the Giants with LT and the early on high spots of that certain other team across the Bay. I think many of these guys have been eclipsed but I think society was definitely more wrapped up in NFL in those days. And I was young so of course it was more important. That was a joke.

 

[Bay Arean]

Brady is the best of his era and it's not close.

Montana is still the GOAT for me. You just can't compare different eras. Rule changes simply make it impossible.

Yeah, that's the short version of what I'm trying to say. But when you see Bradshaw and others up on the teevee you can see em not-so-silently dissent about today's protections.

You know where my heart is. Montana Magic, baby. I still got video cassettes of those games. I doubt they work and I doubt I have anything to play em on.

 

[mikev]

Brady had his leg broken, which isn’t terrible but he was no spring chicken either. I’m an Elway fan, but I cannot deny Brady’s greatness (damn that hurt to type). Brady has been successful with a fair number of nobodies or somebody’s that spend more time injured than playing. Montana had Rice, Taylor, Clark, and Craig.

To be fair in Brady's 50TD insane season, he was throwing to Randy fucking Moss.

 

[Ridley]

To be fair in Brady's 50TD insane season, he was throwing to Randy fucking Moss.

And Manning is his 55 touchdown season, sure as hell wasn’t throwing to Moss.

I still think that Montana’s greatness was because he had great position players around him all the time. Elway didn’t, but if he did I think he would have been better than Montana.

 

[Bay Arean]

And Manning is his 55 touchdown season, sure as hell wasn’t throwing to Moss.

I still think that Montana’s greatness was because he had great position players around him all the time. Elway didn’t, but if he did I think he would have been better than Montana.

Yeah, but he didn't have the touch. Montana's passes were like on an invisible string, they often just fell right in place. Elway did the bullet passes. To this day, guys that throw too hard make me scratch my head. Frickin' footballs are painful enough to grasp much less at supersonic speeds.

 

[mikev]

And Manning is his 55 touchdown season, sure as hell wasn’t throwing to Moss.

I still think that Montana’s greatness was because he had great position players around him all the time. Elway didn’t, but if he did I think he would have been better than Montana.

Elway had Shannon Sharpe and Terrell Davis. Cmon.

 

[Johndicezx9]

OK lemme poke the fire, Tom Brady GOAT?

I don't see a compelling argument against it

Gotta give the devil his due....

 

[Bowling4Bikes]

Elway had Shannon Sharpe and Terrell Davis. Cmon.

and perennial pro bowlers Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey

 

[Bowling4Bikes]

To be fair in Brady's 50TD insane season, he was throwing to Randy fucking Moss.

that was the Randy fucking Moss who wanted to play. Just because you have him, doesn't mean he's present. Brady must have had some sort of effect on the asshole's decision to become motivated to play again. Ask Kerry fucking Collins about that.

 

[Eldritch]

OK lemme poke the fire, Tom Brady GOAT?

He kind of has to be. I mean, it looks like he may beat the untouchable Favre on so many stats and he is doing it without becoming a broken down joke for the last few years of his career.

 

[Ridley]

Elway had Shannon Sharpe and Terrell Davis. Cmon.

Sure, at the very end of Elway's career, but through the 80's, four superbowl appearances with a much less talented group. The three amigos were good, but they were not the guys Montana got to throw to.

And just so its out there, unbiased Ridley (me) thinks Montana is #2 all time, and my beloved Elway is #5. Fan-stupid Ridley thinks its Elway, Manning, Brady, Montana

 

[Mike95060]

He kind of has to be. I mean, it looks like he may beat the untouchable Favre on so many stats and he is doing it without becoming a broken down joke for the last few years of his career.

That the thing tho. I feel like the last few years of an old QB's Success depend almost entirely on his offensive linemen and some luck. I don't care how much Yoga you do, the body just does not bounce back from injury at 42 like it does at 22. Football is punishment. I don't think anyone can survive at 40 if they are getting pasted multiple times a game.

 

[Ridley]

That the thing tho. I feel like the last few years of an old QB's Success depend almost entirely on his offensive linemen and some luck. I don't care how much Yoga you do, the body just does not bounce back from injury at 42 like it does at 22. Football is punishment. I don't think anyone can survive at 40 if they are getting pasted multiple times a game.

I would agree. Brady has been blessed with great coaches that develop a good O-line, but they are not that good. I think that what has helped him the most is he has a sixth sense and can read defenses like a childrens book.

Some QBs with very long careers have been hit a ton. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_sacked_career.htm

 

[mikev]

Brady is actually really good at not taking big hits.

 

[Mike95060]

I would agree. Brady has been blessed with great coaches that develop a good O-line, but they are not that good. I think that what has helped him the most is he has a sixth sense and can read defenses like a childrens book.

Well yeah. if you can find an open man faster than anyone else and get the ball away you are going to have a big advantage. Brady probably reads a D better than anyone. Puke....

 

[stigeon]

well that was a fun two pages of flames being stoked heh

i start the Brady argument from my place of bias which is approximately "no fuck no hell fuck no", or something similar

it's hard to compare Montana to Elway to Manning to Brady and ask which is the best. why no Fafavrefe? Young? Unitas? Star? shit even Marino and Bradshaw at the fringes of this topic. In another decade we'll have to consider the feats of Rapelisberger and Manning, E.

it's not just the "era's" and rule changes. it's also their skill sets and personal styles. these are also influenced, highlighted, and enhanced by their coaching - thanks, Bill(s)

truth is Brady's game can't be denied. what he does well - plan, read, react, execute his O, protect himself - he clearly does as well as Montana and he's done it for longer. he's played like a Champion in the biggest games. he is an MVP.

with so many variables there's too much nuance to pick an indisputable GOAT from that list of QB's

so, clearly, the GOAT is the one transcendent player who has no peer in his skill group and dominated the game for 20 years

#80
also known in baseball terms as "Mr. 22,895"

gtfo with this Tom Brady GOAT shit arty

 

[Bowling4Bikes]

ahh, I answered the question thinking he was the GOAT of QBs

 

[Ridley]

A football GOAT is an interesting topic, but it is one with too many variables because each position is unique and very very few have played more than one position.

 

[Mike95060]

ahh, I answered the question thinking he was the GOAT of QBs

Same here. Cross position GOAT talk seems a bit silly. If you really want to go that rout, the GOAT football player would be a person who played offense and defense.

 

[Bowling4Bikes]

A football GOAT is an interesting topic, but it is one with too many variables because each position is unique and very very few have played more than one position.

George Blanda

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"He threw for 26,920 yards and 236 touchdowns, rushed for 344 yards and nine touchdowns, was 335 of 641 on field goal attempts and scored 2,002 total points. He also intercepted a pass and had two kickoff returns for 19 yards and 22 punt returns for 809 yards."