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There is absolutely Nothing to admire about pimps

HappyHighwayman said:
I'm fairly certain other than 70s style flashy clothing, Pimps are made out to be scumbags in movies.
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I disagree. Hustle and Flow, among others.

In addition, some of the celebrities (Snoop, Ice T, etc.) who have bragged about having been pimps have never been held accountable for their actions.
 
CoorsLight said:
Unfortunately, you are correct. Prohibition in general reduces societal costs of vices like drugs and alcohol, but it hasn't worked out that way for prostitution. Here's a study that looked at the relationship between legal prostitution and human trafficking, and found that countries--especially wealthy countries--with legal prostitution had larger human trafficking inflows than other countries. Also, Sweden criminalized demand of prostitution and created programs to help people exit sex trade. Sweden has seen a massive drop in human trafficking, and the Swedish people are overwhelmingly in favor on these policies.

Here's another interesting opinion piece about the downsides of decriminalizing prostitution:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/11/prostitution-legalised-sex-trade-pimps-women

As a social libertarian, I'm torn on the issue. My ideals say one thing, but the data say another...
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Skimmed the Guardian article, and the abstract, lol. So, maybe dumb questions, but...

Couldn't you argue sex trafficking is an example of poor regulation? If you well-regulate the sex industry, you should be able to control trafficking (age regulation, inspections of legal brothels, random/frequent interviews of the workers, etc.).

Again, didn't even really read the abstract, but you'd guess legalized countries would attract sex workers (since they can work in the open). So, unfortunately, wouldn't we expect more trafficking to/in these countries?

Why criminalize demand? Desire for sex is natural, right? Isn't it a good thing, and mutually beneficial, to allow for an outlet (that is well-regulated)? I can't imagine pent-up need being good for a person, for society, etc. It's related to the issue in China, and the problems when a lot of young men cannot find women and sexual satisfaction. It'd be interesting to look at sexual assault, rape, etc. statistics for countries that have legalized prostitution versus not.

I've read several blogs, written by workers, since the bill that shut down escort websites. It's what I'd expect to find, the fear of returning to the street, inability to market and develop a trusted client base, more reliance on pimps for protection, etc. Exactly what we don't want.

Oh, one thing I dislike/disagree with the Guardian article, is that women are automatically, necessarily victims in any sex work. That's the opposite of worker accounts I've read, and doesn't make much sense.
 
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Climber said:
I disagree. Hustle and Flow, among others.

In addition, some of the celebrities (Snoop, Ice T, etc.) who have bragged about having been pimps have never been held accountable for their actions.
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Good example.

I also think of the Pimp from magnum force

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Morals........whose ya gonna use?

Pro athletes........get paid for a particular talent that is in demand.......some even have agents......not always good ones

Postitutes ..........get paid for a particular talent that is in demand.......some even have agents......not always good ones.

So.....what’s the difference?
 
I find nothing immoral in sex work, the only issues is abuse by pimps. And no legal protections from society. A John beats you up, and you need to admit you were a "criminal" to get them arrested.
 
Morals........whose ya gonna use?

Pro actors........get paid for a particular talent that is in demand.......some even have agents......not always good ones

Prostitutes ..........get paid for a particular talent that is in demand.......some even have agents......not always good ones.

So.....what’s the difference?

(Less obtuse?)
 
Characters in fictional movies, plays or books are metaphors.
 
Entoptic said:
Actually it worked really well. The country provides health checks and They make good money. Everyone looks out for each other as well.

Have you ever been to Amsterdam?
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You are wrong. I've been to Amsterdam yes.

There are plenty of pimps and lots of sex trafficking going on, don't even need to go far to figure that one out.
 
Yeah, street walkers and their pimps aren't all of a sudden going to adhere to the regulations. Pimps will not vanish unfortunately.
 
jdhu said:
Wait, who admires pimps?

California's felony-murder rule doesn't require intent, so the defense is odd (gotta try something).
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Um. Have you ever even heard Hip Hop Music?
 
jdhu said:
Skimmed the Guardian article, and the abstract, lol. So, maybe dumb questions, but...

Couldn't you argue sex trafficking is an example of poor regulation? If you well-regulate the sex industry, you should be able to control trafficking (age regulation, inspections of legal brothels, random/frequent interviews of the workers, etc.).

Again, didn't even really read the abstract, but you'd guess legalized countries would attract sex workers (since they can work in the open). So, unfortunately, wouldn't we expect more trafficking to/in these countries?

Why criminalize demand? Desire for sex is natural, right? Isn't it a good thing, and mutually beneficial, to allow for an outlet (that is well-regulated)? I can't imagine pent-up need being good for a person, for society, etc. It's related to the issue in China, and the problems when a lot of young men cannot find women and sexual satisfaction. It'd be interesting to look at sexual assault, rape, etc. statistics for countries that have legalized prostitution versus not.

I've read several blogs, written by workers, since the bill that shut down escort websites. It's what I'd expect to find, the fear of returning to the street, inability to market and develop a trusted client base, more reliance on pimps for protection, etc. Exactly what we don't want.

Oh, one thing I dislike/disagree with the Guardian article, is that women are automatically, necessarily victims in any sex work. That's the opposite of worker accounts I've read, and doesn't make much sense.
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Or they go shoot up a school or a Madden Tournament at a bar.
 
jdhu said:
Skimmed the Guardian article, and the abstract, lol. So, maybe dumb questions, but...

Couldn't you argue sex trafficking is an example of poor regulation? If you well-regulate the sex industry, you should be able to control trafficking (age regulation, inspections of legal brothels, random/frequent interviews of the workers, etc.).

Again, didn't even really read the abstract, but you'd guess legalized countries would attract sex workers (since they can work in the open). So, unfortunately, wouldn't we expect more trafficking to/in these countries?

Why criminalize demand? Desire for sex is natural, right? Isn't it a good thing, and mutually beneficial, to allow for an outlet (that is well-regulated)? I can't imagine pent-up need being good for a person, for society, etc. It's related to the issue in China, and the problems when a lot of young men cannot find women and sexual satisfaction. It'd be interesting to look at sexual assault, rape, etc. statistics for countries that have legalized prostitution versus not.

I've read several blogs, written by workers, since the bill that shut down escort websites. It's what I'd expect to find, the fear of returning to the street, inability to market and develop a trusted client base, more reliance on pimps for protection, etc. Exactly what we don't want.

Oh, one thing I dislike/disagree with the Guardian article, is that women are automatically, necessarily victims in any sex work. That's the opposite of worker accounts I've read, and doesn't make much sense.
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Here's the thing: all these observations seem totally counterintuitive to me, except the one that legalization increase trafficking. I think to change that would require decriminalization of prostitution almost worldwide, which is never going to happen as long as most countries' legal systems are informed by little more than bronze age myth with no basis in civilized human life.

Criminalizing demand was an interesting point. I thought I had read it wrong. But the fact is that Swedes have come to appreciate this policy, and there is a functioning escape hatch for sex workers there. Other than that, I couldn't really comment on the mechanism by which that legislation is so effective.
 
This is really about employee/employer relations........workplace violence.

How the employer treated his employee in a violent manner.
 
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