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There is absolutely Nothing to admire about pimps

Climber said:
No. It's modern slavery.
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For some sex workers this may be true. Not for all, and I suspect not for most.

I'm pretty sure that I have technically been a pimp, and I am dead certain that none of the workers I helped were coerced in any way by anyone. I've personally known three stereotypical street pimps and none of them had to coerce or harm any of their workers; it's ineffective and bad business from their point of view. The sheer size of the labor pool sees to that.
 
Climber said:
I believe that there is a difference between pimps and technically pimping.
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What's being a pimp?

(And to be clear, I agree that the dirtballs in your first post are shitty humans who deserve what they get, Climber. I'm not in any way defending them. I'm just pointing out that judging all pimps by their actions is a bit overboard, like judging all cops based on what the Oakland Riders did.)
 
MysterYvil said:
What's being a pimp?

(And to be clear, I agree that the dirtballs in your first post are shitty humans who deserve what they get, Climber. I'm not in any way defending them. I'm just pointing out that judging all pimps by their actions is a bit overboard, like judging all cops based on what the Oakland Riders did.)
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I've heard of 'pimping' being used as a term by journalists to whip up outrage, that Ho that was involved with Oakland PD, Richmond PD, etc was supposedly 'pimped around' even though that wasn't the case, but the truth doesn't seem to be adhered to by journalists these days when outrage can be whipped up by adding a few words.

OTOH, Pimps who hold girls and women through terror and violence are the ones I am referring to. That's slavery, pure and simple. I know there are other shades of gray in this but don't want to see the actions of the true scum get diluted because of other types of arrangements.
 
MysterYvil said:
What's being a pimp?

(And to be clear, I agree that the dirtballs in your first post are shitty humans who deserve what they get, Climber. I'm not in any way defending them. I'm just pointing out that judging all pimps by their actions is a bit overboard, like judging all cops based on what the Oakland Riders did.)
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I associate pimping with exploitation 100% of the time. I'm sure you know what "mileage on a hoe" means. even a madame in a brothel is exploiting the work and body of another so I struggle to see a positive argument for pimping.

That said, I do believe that selling sex should not be illegal, even if its a tightrope walk to do it ethically.
 
Reli said:
where and when did that happen
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A few months ago when the courts decided that websites could be held legally liable. CL, mybackpage, and tons of others droppex their ads.

Climber said:
I've heard of 'pimping' being used as a term by journalists to whip up outrage, that Ho that was involved with Oakland PD, Richmond PD, etc was supposedly 'pimped around' even though that wasn't the case, but the truth doesn't seem to be adhered to by journalists these days when outrage can be whipped up by adding a few words.

OTOH, Pimps who hold girls and women through terror and violence are the ones I am referring to. That's slavery, pure and simple. I know there are other shades of gray in this but don't want to see the actions of the true scum get diluted because of other types of arrangements.
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I agree with you and would add those who bring in workers from other countries illegally.

The shades of gray are getting lumped in with those scum, though.
 
MrIncredible said:
Boober.
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Mike95060 said:
I associate pimping with exploitation 100% of the time. I'm sure you know what "mileage on a hoe" means. even a madame in a brothel is exploiting the work and body of another so I struggle to see a positive argument for pimping.

That said, I do believe that selling sex should not be illegal, even if its a tightrope walk to do it ethically.
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Lots of folks also have that association. The positive argument for pimps, madames, et al is that they do provide services that many sex workers want in exchange for their cut: safety, security, client screening and access, bail, grease to the police, et cetera.

The woman in Climber's article is an example; she chose to work for one pimp then jumped to another when she didn't like the first's style. She was clearly looking for something.
 
MysterYvil said:
Lots of folks also have that association. The positive argument for pimps, madames, et al is that they do provide services that many sex workers want in exchange for their cut: safety, security, client screening and access, bail, grease to the police, et cetera.

The woman in Climber's article is an example; she chose to work for one pimp then jumped to another when she didn't like the first's style. She was clearly looking for something.
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I think then maybe it would be wise for people who do try to provide ethical places of prostitution to distance themselves from the "pimp" label. Yeah we can say its just semantics and marketing but in this case I think it would do the sex industry well to clean up its image.
 
CoorsLight said:
Criminalizing demand was an interesting point. I thought I had read it wrong. But the fact is that Swedes have come to appreciate this policy, and there is a functioning escape hatch for sex workers there. Other than that, I couldn't really comment on the mechanism by which that legislation is so effective.
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Well, it's probably due to my not reading the study, but...how can you/we conclude the legislative is so effective? Aren't there causation issues, inability to isolate variables, and sample size issues (n = 1)?
 
jdhu said:
Well, it's probably due to my not reading the study, but...how can you/we conclude the legislative is so effective? Aren't there causation issues, inability to isolate variables, and sample size issues (n = 1)?
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Not exactly; critical to the Sweden case study was the comparison of legislative impacts on prostitution with Denmark and Germany where prostitution was decriminalized. Decriminalization of "johns" led to a sharp drop in the number of Swedish prostitutes and the magnitude of human trafficking. Denmark and Germany both saw rises in human trafficking with the decriminalization of prostitution, to the point where Germany's trafficking and prostitute population per capita is six times higher than that of Sweden.

Does this link work for you? I'm not sure if I'm getting thru a paywall that you can't:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305750X12001453#f0005
 
Reli said:
Wow, surprised it got so much bipartisan support
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Not surprising when you consider how it would get played by opponents at election time.

Remember back when the vote came up, just before elections, for giving Bush the option to go to war with Iraq?
 
CoorsLight said:
Not exactly; critical to the Sweden case study was the comparison of legislative impacts on prostitution with Denmark and Germany where prostitution was decriminalized. Decriminalization of "johns" led to a sharp drop in the number of Swedish prostitutes and the magnitude of human trafficking. Denmark and Germany both saw rises in human trafficking with the decriminalization of prostitution, to the point where Germany's trafficking and prostitute population per capita is six times higher than that of Sweden.

Does this link work for you? I'm not sure if I'm getting thru a paywall that you can't:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305750X12001453#f0005
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Link works, thank you. Let me take a look.
 
I read that article yesterday. It is disgusting. I wish that they would not have dragged him from the burning car.

In a perfect world a Woman would have control over what she chooses to do with her own body, not society or abusive men.

Many years ago, I was asked to be a "Protector" for a Woman I met in SF. She wanted to split everything 50/50. I declined.
 
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