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Thief shot while stealing bike!

rrrdbw said:
Typical supporter reply. Why dont you do some research and see just how much your fellow illegal immigrant sends back to Mexico , how many millions/billions of California/American dollars are being taken out of country. So not only are they taking up American jobs but are also not spending in America to stimulate the economy. Hmmmm should I even start with our hospital emergency rooms, health system thats bankrupt because of ....... ohh thats right you support Obama care. Free medical to everyone. All Americans will pick up the bill. Yeah blame it on whitie.
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Exactly. Should be obvious.
 
He caught two guys in the commission of a felony.
He identified himself as a police officer.
The suspect didn't obey his commands and failed to yield.
One of the perps got shot.
Boo Hoo.

In some states that would raise no concern at all, just here in pussified California is the cop under suspicion.
 
Cop wins. I've been told they are trained to shoot to kill (you don't get no second chances...makes sense). That foo should be dead and then he chases the van.

That's what I would have done.

As said many times before, INCREDIBLE restraint.

"we should be dead mother4ker, what you just witnessed was a miracle!"...

head or heart?
 
I can't imagine myself showing that much restraint, I'd probably in jail right now if that was me....
 
I hope it didn't take very long for the officer to clean his weapon afterwards.
 
shoelace said:
i hate thieves, don't get me wrong.

but shooting this guy? i don't believe that this cop thought that his life was in danger, i honestly think that this cop was scared. he never saw a gun and he wasn't man enough to fight with his hands. this sounds pretty bad.

luckily for this cop he's in san diego where this type of behavior is accepted.

pretty weak. hopefully my assumptions are wrong.
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If I have a thief at gunpoint, and he starts walking toward me/disobeying my commands then it is a life threatening situation. What happens if the perp overpowers you. Even if he was unarmed, he now has a gun and is probably not very happy with you.
 
teg916 said:
If I have a thief at gunpoint, and he starts walking toward me/disobeying my commands then it is a life threatening situation. What happens if the perp overpowers you. Even if he was unarmed, he now has a gun and is probably not very happy with you.
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Exactly, you need to wait until he overpowers you and takes your gun to shoot him. Then it's ok.

:rofl
 
RD400man said:
Cop wins. I've been told they are trained to shoot to kill (you don't get no second chances...makes sense).
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LOL. Yeah, they get special training to kill people with bullets that tear straight through a torso. You or me, if we shot someone, they'd probably be merely inconvenienced.
 
Aluisious said:
LOL. Yeah, they get special training to kill people with bullets that tear straight through a torso. You or me, if we shot someone, they'd probably be merely inconvenienced.
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The point is, many people will think "oh I'll just shoot them in the leg or in the foot, and disable them" but shooting accurately at things like arms in stressful situations is a billion times harder than anyone expects.

So, the police are trained to shoot to kill- that is, target the areas that are easier to strike (as they are large) and most likely to disable (if a strike is successful)
 
Nonsequitur said:
BTW, this is a good shoot whether he is a LEO or a private citizen.
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Can anyone confirm this? It seems odd for California that as a private citizen, if I saw someone stealing my bike out of the parking lot, I could walk out of the apartment armed with the intention of confronting him. Wouldn't I need a CCL for that?

I guess I was under the impression that my firearm needed to stay in the house and the only legal use of it is if someone is breaking in to my home and I feel threatened.
 
sliverstorm said:
The point is, many people will think "oh I'll just shoot them in the leg or in the foot, and disable them" but shooting accurately at things like arms in stressful situations is a billion times harder than anyone expects.

So, the police are trained to shoot to kill- that is, target the areas that are easier to strike (as they are large) and most likely to disable (if a strike is successful)
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It's an amusing phrase. No one that I know who shoots regularly uses it.
 
No, I'm pretty certain that if you leave the house to confront them, if you have the gun in your hand, you're OK. It's not brandishing, because you're challenging a person committing a felony, not just waving it at a random person.

That would be my guess.
 
TinyCrumb said:
Can anyone confirm this? It seems odd for California that as a private citizen, if I saw someone stealing my bike out of the parking lot, I could walk out of the apartment armed with the intention of confronting him. Wouldn't I need a CCL for that?

I guess I was under the impression that my firearm needed to stay in the house and the only legal use of it is if someone is breaking in to my home and I feel threatened.
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If you see someone stealing your stuff outside and you arm yourself and confront them, you stand a great chance of being charged with homicide. It's not the CCL, it's that you're not supposed to avail yourself of deadly force then go escalate a situation.
 
sliverstorm said:
So, the police are trained to shoot to kill- that is, target the areas that are easier to strike (as they are large) and most likely to disable (if a strike is successful)
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Not exactly: they are trained to shoot at "center mass", it just so happens that there's a lot of vital organs there than injury to will result in death. As you say, it's a better/easier target under a stressful situation than an arm or leg.

That said, they ARE taught the "failure drill", which is if the rounds you have put into the target have not yet stopped it, and the threat is still coming at you, you put one in the head - between and just above the eyes.
 
TinyCrumb said:
Can anyone confirm this? It seems odd for California that as a private citizen, if I saw someone stealing my bike out of the parking lot, I could walk out of the apartment armed with the intention of confronting him. Wouldn't I need a CCL for that?

I guess I was under the impression that my firearm needed to stay in the house and the only legal use of it is if someone is breaking in to my home and I feel threatened.
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The circumstances would of course have to be slightly different but per 12031(j)(1) PC would cover a citizen in regard to preservation of property and danger to property or person. The law would require notification of law enforcement as soon as possible.
 
Actually, according to my AJ teacher (SJPD for over 30+ years) cops are NOT trained to shoot to kill, they are trained to shoot to stop.
 
asdfghwy said:
Actually, according to my AJ teacher (SJPD for over 30+ years) cops are NOT trained to shoot to kill, they are trained to shoot to stop.
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Exactly, the wording of "STOPING" instead of "KILLING" and He was reaching into his coat, pocket etc... would always justify "a good shoot". there is no such thing as a bad cop. cops shoot to stop and not to kill:rofl
 
asdfghwy said:
Actually, according to my AJ teacher (SJPD for over 30+ years) cops are NOT trained to shoot to kill, they are trained to shoot to stop.
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The hilarity continues. How do you think a bullet "stops" anyone?
 
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