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Why European motorcycles are doing better then the Japanese
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Surj
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Hm. I thought the "soul" thing was mostly a v-twin thing. Harleys, Ducatis, etc...
I don't love my Beemer because it has soul - it's just a really good bike that does what I want pretty much how I want. I dig it. Previous bikes - I'm thinking specifically of my VFRs and my Speed Triple - weren't quite it. The Beemer is - soul or not.
I don't love my Beemer because it has soul - it's just a really good bike that does what I want pretty much how I want. I dig it. Previous bikes - I'm thinking specifically of my VFRs and my Speed Triple - weren't quite it. The Beemer is - soul or not.
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sorry to tell you mang, but the R1200R doesn't need a 'soul' cuz it is possessed...
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Surj
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sorry to tell you mang, but the R1200R doesn't need a 'soul' cuz it is possessed...
Haha! Well, I sure have a hell of a time riding it, and it sure looks nice. But while the VFRs had that lovely V4-ness, and my Speed Triple felt like a fire-breathing hellhound that absolutely drooled a particular type of loud, rambunctious "soul" the Beemer feels more like a really nice, well-made, precision tool. I suppose that's just a different type of soul and I positively love riding it... but I just think of it as a really good bike. Maybe I need to put a louder pipe on it.
theAmazingKickstand
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One thing many BMW's have is superb fit and finish. Simply stunning compared to anything else. Makes me fall in love and whip out my check book every time. Luckily I rode them before signing the check!!! I can't remember feeling a more boring gutless engine than a bmw aircooled twin.
Surj
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What the hell did you ride? I've ridden Boxers from many decades (seventies on) and never felt bored. Some of 'em weren't particularly speedy, but still interesting. My R1200R is a hell of a lot of fun to ride - that latest engine spins up nicely - really high fun factor in spite of having "only" ~110 HP.
theAmazingKickstand
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I rode a few 1100's and two 1150's. Not a 1200 cuz it's not in my price range.
They reminded me of a stock excellent condition VW bug.
I reallllyyyyy wanted to look over the drive shafts exploding and get a naked 1150 or 1100s or 1200 cruiser but I just couldnt see the value.
If I were simply commuting 100 miles/day all freeway with no traffic Id get an RT no question. Awesome road holding. Feels like a caltrain going straight.
They reminded me of a stock excellent condition VW bug.
I reallllyyyyy wanted to look over the drive shafts exploding and get a naked 1150 or 1100s or 1200 cruiser but I just couldnt see the value.
If I were simply commuting 100 miles/day all freeway with no traffic Id get an RT no question. Awesome road holding. Feels like a caltrain going straight.
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While it surely happens, I had three BMW's, each of which I rode for 50K miles or so, and it never happened to me.
theAmazingKickstand
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While it surely happens, I had three BMW's, each of which I rode for 50K miles or so, and it never happened to me.
I believe you. I see many of them on the freeway every day.
But I don't want to get a $6k bike that has a higher than acceptable chance of needing a $3k repair.
Same thought kept me from getting a few aircooled ducatis. Same reason I sold an FZ1 with a perfectly working second gear.
Surj
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I believe you. I see many of them on the freeway every day.
But I don't want to get a $6k bike that has a higher than acceptable chance of needing a $3k repair.
Same thought kept me from getting a few aircooled ducatis. Same reason I sold an FZ1 with a perfectly working second gear.
You're crazy.
I mean, yeah - shafts fail sometimes. And they don't - a lot. I rode a couple different R1100Ses at different points in my life. The first one, I think a '99, blew my mind. Really cool and balanced. The second one - just recently - was still awesome but didn't quite live up to my memory of the first one, so I bought an R1200R which has turned out to be pretty much the perfect bike for me. Also rode a couple different BMW ST bikes when I was looking for a good commuted, but ended up buying a VFR mostly because the Beemers on the market in my price range at that point just weren't very clean and I found a super clean VFR for a good price. But I still wouldn't have described any of those bikes as boring.
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old boxers and have wanted a /5 for a long long time. This year I may have to take the plunge: /5 /6 or r90s.