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Why only 6 laps???

How many laps would you prefer at Thunderhill & Buttonwillow Raceways?

  • 6

    Votes: 7 17.5%

  • 8

    Votes: 33 82.5%
  • Total voters
    40
HRCrider

HRCrider

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I was just wondering why we only race 6 laps at T-Hill and BW. Seems like all the tracks lap times are very similar, within 10 seconds of each other. I would imagine we could do the 8 laps at these tracks also, and still have plenty of time? Or is it just based off of the miles? An extra 2 laps of each of my races would mean another 8 laps total. Then I would feel like I am getting my $$$ worth of racing. 6 laps is just too short.
 
Valid point. Send an e-mail to the club or maybe start a poll/petition on the AFM website. I think the AFM board meeting is next Wednesday so they could potentially make that change for next weekend, assuming they agree with you.
 
Lately, I've been doing the 20 lap GTU's and Endurance races with WERA and I agree, 6 laps feels very short. 8 laps would be fantastic! Even if it was $5 more per entry or something.
 
maybe a time issue? that's an extra 4 min a race, x 12 races, which means we need another 48 minutes in the day. is there that much extra time in the day?


8 laps would be awesome tho, that's for sure
 
it's probably closest to 20 miles without going over. if i had to guess. sears is 2.22 miles. Thill is 3.0. 8 laps of Sears is 17.7 mi. 6 laps of Thill is 18 mi.

don't know what the track length of the BW config we run is. but they probably calculate laps by overall race distance, not time.

so it costs us all what? $20 per mile? more? which equates to....$50 per minute of race time? just sayin'
 
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Daredevil said:
maybe a time issue? that's an extra 4 min a race, x 12 races, which means we need another 48 minutes in the day. is there that much extra time in the day?


8 laps would be awesome tho, that's for sure
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Math grade: FAIL :laughing

Most racer's laptimes at Thunderhill are 7-12 seconds slower than Infineon, so taking an average of 10 seconds per lap times 10 laps (including warm-up and cool-off laps) means that switching to an 8-lap race at T-hill would run about 1:40 seconds longer than an Infineon 8-lap race so you're basically adding only 20 minutes to the raceday. Since T-hill races are in the summer it's not an issue of running out of daylight.
 
Daredevil said:
maybe a time issue? that's an extra 4 min a race, x 12 races, which means we need another 48 minutes in the day. is there that much extra time in the day?


8 laps would be awesome tho, that's for sure
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Trust me, there is time.

Let me preface by saying, it's not really fair to compare WERA to the AFM, because of the operational and organizational differences. But, the AFM functions in a very strict and black or white environment.

For example:

AFM - I believe they wait for the track to completely clear before letting out the next riders for the next race.
WERA - lets you out when they are something like 2 corners from the last corner.

I would also like to know how long the AFM provides from "last call" to do your warmup lap, to the moment they don't allow riders out. WERA's was super strict last weekend at Miller. If you weren't there when they gave last call, you had something like 1 minute to get there or go strait to your grid. The problem is that everyone wants to max out their tire warmers. And none of the fast guys want to be the first to go out then end up at the grid first, letting their tires cool off (at least in 650 twins/FIV).

My point is, there are plenty of places to shave time and increase our experience. The AFM could stand to run a little bit more "loose" in some areas, and tighten up in others.
 
well that's neat, hope it goes to 8

don't mind me, norcos :\
 
I'd love to see a one minute window for the warm up lap. Right now there are always fifteen clowns who just HAVE TO BE THE LAST guy on the track so their tires are the warmest.. It's rude, among other things. And it takes up time that could be spent racing. I'd like to see Barb give a wave to start the warmup lap and a sixty second ( or ninety second) cutoff.
 
6 lap sis LAME sauce... 8 is better... heck 10 is better... even if more money... The whole being the last guy out to keep yoru tires warm is true... Not fair.. I went out first and sat till they gridded up and my tires were cold by then... Not super cold but colder than I wanted...
 
I am for more laps, and also for the recommendation to propose this to AFM.
 
HRCrider said:
I was just wondering why we only race 6 laps at T-Hill and BW. Seems like all the tracks lap times are very similar, within 10 seconds of each other. I would imagine we could do the 8 laps at these tracks also, and still have plenty of time? Or is it just based off of the miles? An extra 2 laps of each of my races would mean another 8 laps total. Then I would feel like I am getting my $$$ worth of racing. 6 laps is just too short.
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Cause all you Bay Area chumps can't handle more laps!:laughing That is why you got rid of the seasonal endurance race also! :thumbdown
 
afmotorsports said:
Math grade: FAIL :laughing

Most racer's laptimes at Thunderhill are 7-12 seconds slower than Infineon, so taking an average of 10 seconds per lap times 10 laps (including warm-up and cool-off laps) means that switching to an 8-lap race at T-hill would run about 1:40 seconds longer than an Infineon 8-lap race so you're basically adding only 20 minutes to the raceday. Since T-hill races are in the summer it's not an issue of running out of daylight.
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And I was told you work with numbers for a day job?:twofinger

The marginal difference in duration would not be dependent on the average lap time; rather it would be a function of the slowest rider on the grid. Then there is the additional downtime resulting from any issue that cause downtime (e.g., red flag), which, barring data to show otherwise, is likely proportional to runtime.

Carry On.
 
dsapsis said:
Sometimes, it's all you got :laughing
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