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Wikileaks blocked?

That's fine. What parts do you disagree with?

personally im somewhat supportive of all this. I know some people may be endangered, but our gov(and many others) have for to long been making back door deals, not doing what the public wants in foreign policy, being supportive of bad regimes and destablising ones we dont like, without anyone really knowing whats going on or having any RWAL info

I dont think thi sleak wil endanger like people have said, but I do think its good to see that the saudis think iran is bad as well, exposes our invlovement in destabalizing south american gov'ts, ect ect.

I like that gov'ts need to know, that in the modern age, in this brave new world, they arent going to be able to get away with shit like before
 
All I can Ask guy's/gals, is you dont read the information that was posted. please do not go to the site in question or any sites that publish this information that puts our troppers in harms way.

just askin.

OK I will go pack sand er Water now.:laughing
 
I don't think the danger to anything lies in whether I read the stuff :p

TBH though I don't really care enough to sift through those documents personally.
 
or, leaked now to "prove" that Wikileaks isn't playing a biased or politically motivated game?

In Information Warfare, it's a common tactic to lightly attack ones' allies to help stave off criticism.

As others have mentioned, we may eventually that find Wikileaks is just a propaganda or espionage clearinghouse, where nations dig up, steal or manufacture items to hurt their enemies. It's impartiality and opportunistic access to secrets seems in doubt when you take into account what "leaks" and when. For example, it's a bit ironic that within days of the incidents in Korea we find a Wikileak that pretends to exonerate China from any "puppet master" responsibility for the North's actions, isn't it?

Wikileaks then functions to allow a "plausible deniability" to stolen state secrets. If the Russians, for example, started broadcasting classified American or Chinese documents, there would be some explaining to be done as to how they were obtained. Accusations of espionage would rightfully be made. Wikileaks allows this to be avoided almost completely. The blame goes from foreign intelligence to "unidentified leakers", away from the "thief" to the "victim".

As an added bonus, propaganda agents and lazy media types get a whole "confirmation bias" source to hide behind. Documents that are "believable" on wikileaks don't need independent review for Media and governments that find the propaganda useful. If Wikileaks said it had "secret documents" of Bush eating Afghan babies, that would be enough "proof" for mainstream dissemination. If Wikileaks pops up with Obama's "kenyan birth certificate", that'll be all the "proof" opposing factions need.

With classified operations, in order to prove or disprove a wikileaks claim, the government would have to release *more* classified information surrounding the propaganda incidents. Either the propaganda goes unchallenged, or foreign intel gains more info. Win-win right there for the opposition.

Now with the site being down, you get another level of propaganda. Is it a real attack? A false-flag operation? Routine maintenance where someone forgot to submit a change request? Or a self administered shutdown in order to garner more sympathy and make themselves appear "victimized": "Look at me! I'm so dangerous the CIA/USA/KGB/MIB are out to stifle me!"?

The new war is fought with words. Cameramen and "reporters" are the soldiers. HAMAS understands, and did well with world opinion even with rather amateurish mistakes against Israel. Al-Queda supporters purchase airtime on their enemies' own satellites to run Al Jazeerah. Hugo Chavez gets it, by controlling his own media and by pandering to celebrities. Germany made it into a science by the late '30's. America needs to get it's game on, because we're falling behind both here and abroad. Otherwise, we'll lose our own hearts and minds to those who realize that it *is* a war, and are playing with the highest stakes in mind, without the risk of physical retaliation or the costs that even a single cruise missile launch would incur.

Now, if Wikileaks was truly about freedom of information, then it should be able to provide answers to the real tough questions. What I wanna know, is where the Wikileaks release on UFO's is at...and what's really in the Colonel's Secret Blend..where's the thermal exhaust port on the Death Star, and how many licks it *really* takes to reach the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop. *There's* the secrets that many Bothans will die for. :p

Any possibility that this leak was orchestrated to make the Obama Administration look bad, regardless of the fact that virtually everything being leaked wasn't on his watch?
 
When some asshole let your enemy know manes of the people that collect information for you, that asshole puts lives of those people in grave danger.

I don't think enemy knowing about our people's hair is dangerous.
 
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I'm donating to wikileaks. Great site. I wish I could give money to the pfc who downloaded all the cables to begin with.


You're wasting your money. Do not donate to these scam artists. No money has gone for Bradley Manning's defense and I suspect, they never will.


WikiLeaks Cash Flows In, Drips Out
Full Story:
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/07/wikileaks-funding/

The secret-spilling website WikiLeaks appears to be a frugal spender, tapping less than 5 percent of the funds received through two of its three donation methods, according to the third-party foundation that manages those contributions.

WikiLeaks has received 640,000 euros (U.S. $800,000) through PayPal or bank money transfers since late December, and spent only 30,000 euros (U.S. $38,000) from that funding, says Hendrik Fulda, vice president of the Berlin-based Wau Holland Foundation.

The money has gone to pay the travel expenses of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and spokesman Daniel Schmitt, as well as to cover the costs of computer hardware, such as servers, and leasing data lines, says Fulda. WikiLeaks does not currently pay a salary to Assange or other volunteers from this funding, though there have been discussions about doing so in the future, Fulda adds. The details have not yet been worked out. . . .

. . . . The site got another boost in donations in April after it published the controversial video showing a 2007 U.S. Army helicopter attack in Baghdad. WikiLeaks claimed it raised more than $150,000 in less than a week after the release of the video. A U.S. Army intelligence analyst named Bradley Manning was since arrested and charged with being WikiLeaks’ source for the video. Assange and other WikiLeaks volunteers have claimed that the organization commissioned lawyers to defend Manning, and the group has campaigned for more donations from the public to cover the legal expenses.

Fulda said that no money handled by the foundation has gone to pay expenses for Manning’s defense. He didn’t know if WikiLeaks obtained money from other sources for the purpose. He said, however, that his foundation would have no problem in principle paying such legal expenses. . . .
 
Who didnt see this coming...............................

Interpol puts Assange on most-wanted list

By the CNN Wire Staff
December 1, 2010 8:00 a.m. EST

(CNN) -- Interpol has put WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange on its most-wanted list at the request of a Swedish court looking into alleged sex crimes from this year.
The Stockholm Criminal Court issued an international arrest warrant for Assange two weeks ago on probable cause, saying he is suspected of rape, sexual molestation and illegal use of force in August incidents.
Sweden asked Interpol, the international police organization, to post a "Red Notice" after a judge approved a motion to bring him into custody.
The "Red Notice" is not an international arrest warrant. It is an advisory and request, issued to 188 member countries "to assist the national police forces in identifying or locating those persons with a view to their arrest and extradition," according to Interpol.

The Swedish court ordered Assange, 39, formally arrested in his absence, which requires Swedish authorities anywhere in the world to detain Assange if they come across him. Sweden's director of prosecutions, Marianne Ny, had requested the arrest-in-absence.
"The background is that he has to be heard in this investigation and we haven't been able to get a hold of him to question him," Ny said at the time.
Assange faces five counts that appear related to two incidents, according to the request Ny filed with the court.
He faces one count of rape and one count of sexual molestation related to an instance around August 17 in Enkoping, just outside Stockholm. He then faces two counts of sexual molestation between August 13 and 18 in Stockholm, and one count of illegal use of force between August 13 and 14, also in the capital.
Assange could be sentenced to at least two years in prison if convicted, according to the document.
Assange, an Australian, was rejected for permanent residency in Sweden in October. Swedish Migration Board official Gunilla Wikstrom said his application failed to fulfill all the requirements but declined to give details.
On Monday, Ecuador invited Assange to come to Quito to discuss documents leaked on the site relating to Ecuador and other Latin American countries, according to a statement from the country's foreign ministry.
The ministry also offered to process a request for residency "in accordance with the country's current laws."
In a November news release, Assange's British lawyer said the sex-crime charges stem from consensual sexual relationships his client had with two women.
"Only after the women became aware of each other's relationships with Mr. Assange did they make their allegations against him," lawyer Mark Stephens said in the statement.
Stephens also said neither he nor Assange "have ever received a single written word, at any time, in any form, from Swedish authorities on the Swedish investigation against our client."
The media has been the only way they've learned substantial information about the investigation, Stephens said. He called it "a clear contravention to Article 6 of the European Convention, which states that every accused must be informed promptly, in a language which he understands and in detail, of the nature and cause of the accusation against him."
Swedish prosecutors announced over the summer they were investigating Assange in two separate cases of rape and molestation. Ny said then there was reason to believe a crime had been committed, but that more investigation was necessary before she could make a final decision.
Assange has maintained he is innocent, telling the Arabic-language television network Al-Jazeera the accusations were a "smear campaign."
 
:laughing yep.
it's only a matter of time, before he has an "accident", I'm sure.
I saw the reports and campaigning to classify him as a "terrorst" for doing what he's doing.

I think they just want to get him into custody, then they'll pull the national security bit on him, and he'll dissapear.
 
Now, if Wikileaks was truly about freedom of information, then it should be able to provide answers to the real tough questions. What I wanna know, is where the Wikileaks release on UFO's is at...and what's really in the Colonel's Secret Blend..where's the thermal exhaust port on the Death Star, and how many licks it *really* takes to reach the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop. *There's* the secrets that many Bothans will die for. :p

:laughing

this
 
:laughing yep.
it's only a matter of time, before he has an "accident", I'm sure.
I saw the reports and campaigning to classify him as a "terrorst" for doing what he's doing.

I think they just want to get him into custody, then they'll pull the national security bit on him, and he'll dissapear.

He is an idiot, when you fuck with powerfull people bad things are likely to happen to you.:laughing

Cant say that i would give a shit if he met an untimely end.
 
He is an idiot, when you fuck with powerfull people bad things are likely to happen to you.:laughing

Cant say that i would give a shit if he met an untimely end.

on the other side of the coin, I find it interesting, if not telling, that governments are running scared it seems on what he's putting out there. I can understand the part about protecting assets and operatives, but a lot of those documents are very telling.

and if anything, government officials, imo, should not have free reign, without knowing that they could be held accountable for what they did in their political career. kind of like a catch 22, no?

:dunno
 
It's a great event. Why? Every government lies and hides the lies. Then they lie again and tell us what actions they are taking to deal with the previous lies. After awhile it's just a concatenation of lies based on keeping the people in power in power. They've built and run a kingdom of lies and believe that if their stewardship is taken away, the kingdom will collapse. Which it will, but that's a comment on their stewardship.

Most of you are too young to remember the Vietnam war and the immense government deceptions, starting with the Gulf of Tonkin incident, a non incident that was the excuse for bringing in troops, and working through lying press releases about CIA stooge Vietnamese leaders, body counts, and a myriad of other lies. The ONLY press that told what was really happening then was IF Stone's weekly and the Christian Science Monitor. Everyone else ate up the government lies and published them glowing comments. We were told fifty times that the body counts assured the war would be over in six month and the Vietnamese attacked us in the Gulf on Tonkin and we had to respond. All lies. The leaders in Vietnam that we supported were even more corrupt, if that is possible, than the current Afghan and Iraqi leaders.

The US government may need to tell a few lies to do diplomacy, but they lie constantly and totally. You can believe almost nothing that comes from Washington, it's a shell of deceit with a beautiful frosting of truth.
 
It's a great event. Why? Every government lies and hides the lies. Then they lie again and tell us what actions they are taking to deal with the previous lies. After awhile it's just a concatenation of lies based on keeping the people in power in power. They've built and run a kingdom of lies and believe that if their stewardship is taken away, the kingdom will collapse. Which it will, but that's a comment on their stewardship.

Most of you are too young to remember the Vietnam war and the immense government deceptions, starting with the Gulf of Tonkin incident, a non incident that was the excuse for bringing in troops, and working through lying press releases about CIA stooge Vietnamese leaders, body counts, and a myriad of other lies. The ONLY press that told what was really happening then was IF Stone's weekly and the Christian Science Monitor. Everyone else ate up the government lies and published them glowing comments. We were told fifty times that the body counts assured the war would be over in six month and the Vietnamese attacked us in the Gulf on Tonkin and we had to respond. All lies. The leaders in Vietnam that we supported were even more corrupt, if that is possible, than the current Afghan and Iraqi leaders.

The US government may need to tell a few lies to do diplomacy, but they lie constantly and totally. You can believe almost nothing that comes from Washington, it's a shell of deceit with a beautiful frosting of truth.


plus a million
 
It's a great event. Why? Every government lies and hides the lies. Then they lie again and tell us what actions they are taking to deal with the previous lies. After awhile it's just a concatenation of lies based on keeping the people in power in power. They've built and run a kingdom of lies and believe that if their stewardship is taken away, the kingdom will collapse. Which it will, but that's a comment on their stewardship.

Most of you are too young to remember the Vietnam war and the immense government deceptions, starting with the Gulf of Tonkin incident, a non incident that was the excuse for bringing in troops, and working through lying press releases about CIA stooge Vietnamese leaders, body counts, and a myriad of other lies. The ONLY press that told what was really happening then was IF Stone's weekly and the Christian Science Monitor. Everyone else ate up the government lies and published them glowing comments. We were told fifty times that the body counts assured the war would be over in six month and the Vietnamese attacked us in the Gulf on Tonkin and we had to respond. All lies. The leaders in Vietnam that we supported were even more corrupt, if that is possible, than the current Afghan and Iraqi leaders.

The US government may need to tell a few lies to do diplomacy, but they lie constantly and totally. You can believe almost nothing that comes from Washington, it's a shell of deceit with a beautiful frosting of truth.

exactly why some transparency, albeit done this way, might not be so horrible after all, no? :dunno It will put people to task, otherwise, how do we ever get back that stewardship that we prefer? is it gone forever? is their no salvation for the US government? I"m curious. are we too cynical to believe that we can repair a broken system?
man I need sleep. :laughing
 
He added that WikiLeaks "formally asked the State Department for assistance with that. That request was formally rejected."

wut wut?

They had an opportunity to redact the shit out of this and didn't?
 
aparently wikileaks claims to have serious damaging stuff on a major usa bank, as well as some very serious stuff on russia.

they also claimed in a frobes interview to have something they will release in 2011(once thyey verify it all) that will change world history
 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704594804575649050363774246.html

By GEOFFREY A. FOWLER
Amazon.com Inc. stopped hosting WikiLeaks from its Web servers following pressure from members of Congress, prompting the controversial group to move its website to a European provider.
WikiLeaks said in a Twitter message it had been "ousted" by the Seattle online retailer, which also sells Web services and online storage.
In its message, WikiLeaks said its money is "now spent to employ people in Europe." The group later added: "if Amazon are so uncomfortable with the first amendment, they should get out of the business of selling books."
WikiLeaks recently released a trove of sensitive U.S. State Department documents and turned to Amazon's Web services after it claimed its servers in Sweden were hit by computer attacks.
Staff from Sen. Joe Lieberman's office contacted Amazon Tuesday asking why the company was providing Web hosting services for WikiLeaks. On Wednesday, Amazon informed the senator's staff it would sever its ties with the organization.
Leslie Phillips, a spokeswoman for Sen. Lieberman, said Amazon told her office that WikiLeaks had violated its terms of service, but didn't specify which ones. "There are no contractual obligations," she said.
Amazon and WikiLeaks didn't respond to requests for comment.
"I wish that Amazon had taken this action earlier based on Wikileaks' previous publication of classified material," Mr. Lieberman said in a statement, adding that "the company's decision to cut off Wikileaks now is the right decision and should set the standard for other companies."
Kevin Bankston, a senior staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation said Amazon's move wasn't a First Amendment issue. "It is disappointing that Amazon would decline to publish something that under American law it has the right to publish, but in the end that is Amazon's decision," he said. "What would be wrong is if the government pressured them to take it down through the threat of actual legal proceedings."
Write to Geoffrey A. Fowler at geoffrey.fowler@wsj.com
 
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