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WSBK Ducati pulls out

Just saw that :laughing Guess it's settled, poor guy, hope one of the Japanese factories pick him up.
 
A different perspective....ummm, perhaps Rossi does have a bit to do with it.

Rossi signs with Ducati, Rossi is very well known for his ability to provide input and feedback in terms of developing a motorcycle. To get Rossi, I am sure that Ducati had to agree to do whatever it takes to design, develope and produce, components which will make their bike competitive through 2011. After a world championship in 2011 MotoGP series, hmmmm, a new production bike is 2012 with Rossi's name on it? A marketing persons dreamworld perhaps?

So where does Ducati grab all these technically gifted resources from? WSBK team maybe? So perhaps you have the factory team going to MotoGP and the former WSBK team designing, producing, and testing, equipment?

Speaking from a business perspective.

Then off to F1 for Ferrari?....:D
 
JO EBRMC said:
How does WSBK restrict the bikes? Ducati states prety clearly that the reason they are dropping out is because the bike development in WSBK has gotten completely out of control to the point of being prototype racing.
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But in this environment, it will have to restrict investment, as there aren't the sponsor or mfr dollars to pay for it. The series has no choice, particularly with MotoGP going back to 1000s and allowing the CRT teams in. Superbike will become less relevant and more stock like. Then maybe Ducati returns.

Get out know. Spend the money on technical development that translates right into the showroom. Wait for Superbike to return to stock like bikes and then dominate again. As others have said, with the advertising that Rossi will provide, there is little to no incremental benefit to the advertising WSB will offer. Sounds like a pretty shrewd move to me.
 
Not to mention that their current performance in WSBK probably hasn't been benefiting the showroom floors much lately. :laughing

Especiall with Aprilia kicking their ass up one side and down another!
 
I do think Rossi's arrival has something to do with it. IIRC, the 2008 or 2009 Ducati WSBK budget was $10 million USD, that is $5 million dollars LESS than Rossi salary requirements. I know Marlboro covers a big chunk of the Ducati MotoGP expense, but I don't think anyone really knows (the general public) if they actually cover 100% of their racing expenses; everything from team managers, mechanics, travel, etc..

I'm sure there's going to be ancillary expenses in bringing in Rossi, such as hiring his own mechanics. If they come, at what price will they come.

And who is paying for Rossi's friend Uccio.....I'm pretty sure the added expense of paying for Rossi's entourage will probably be about the cost of the WSBK budget.:laughing
 
Archimedes said:
But in this environment, it will have to restrict investment, as there aren't the sponsor or mfr dollars to pay for it. The series has no choice, particularly with MotoGP going back to 1000s and allowing the CRT teams in. Superbike will become less relevant and more stock like. Then maybe Ducati returns.

Get out know. Spend the money on technical development that translates right into the showroom. Wait for Superbike to return to stock like bikes and then dominate again. As others have said, with the advertising that Rossi will provide, there is little to no incremental benefit to the advertising WSB will offer. Sounds like a pretty shrewd move to me.
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I don't disagree with any of that. Ducati will return to WSBK once the rules have been re-aligned and rationalized.

My response was to the point that WSBK is somehow restrictive and that is what is forcing Ducati out when that simply isn't the case.
 
RS250 Chester said:
I do think Rossi's arrival has something to do with it. IIRC, the 2008 or 2009 Ducati WSBK budget was $10 million USD, that is $5 million dollars LESS than Rossi salary requirements. I know Marlboro covers a big chunk of the Ducati MotoGP expense, but I don't think anyone really knows (the general public) if they actually cover 100% of their racing expenses; everything from team managers, mechanics, travel, etc..
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I don't think there is any evidence to support this conclusion. Right now, the 1198 is at its very limits and they aren't going to get any more out of it. Spending next year in WSBK running around in 8th-10th will do nothing but drive away sponsors. Sitting out, developing their new bike while the rules are fixed and then coming back in with a new bike and a lot of hype makes a hell of a lot more sense.
 
They're developing a 1198 replacement, the 1198 isn't winning in WSBK, and they're footing the bill for Rossi. All very good reasons to have your factory WSBK team focusing on developing the new superbike chassis off the grid, not the old one on the grid. Selfish but rational.

Their fans will forgive them when they show up with an 1199 in a monocoque chassis for the 2012 season.
 
That's right, there is no evidence to support that conclusion. Even if it is correct, a business would never let that get out, as its too damaging to their image...signing someone to big bucks and not being able to pay for it.

But, as I mentioned, there are a lot more ancillary costs to signing Rossi than just his salary, none of us will ever know the true cost and who pays for what. I don't even think some of the factories know how much their MotoGP programs actually cost.

I would not be surprised if the Rossi effect contributed to their WSBK demise, and I would also not be surprised if Ducati management is using this to their advantage by pulling out, getting the rules changed (again) and coming back in. I think the biggest problem for Ducati has not been their machinery, but the fact that Tardozzi is no longer there. Yes, the factory team has not been competitive, but the Duc with Checa has been competitive and would be more in the game if it weren't for the problems in Utah.

None of us will truly know the reasons, as what Ducati says in press releases to what is actually said in the board room are 2 different things.

I also wouldn't be surprised if you see Rossi on a Ducati SBK at a few select rounds, whether it be 2011 or 2012.
 
ohio said:
They're developing a 1198 replacement, the 1198 isn't winning in WSBK, and they're footing the bill for Rossi. All very good reasons to have your factory WSBK team focusing on developing the new superbike chassis off the grid, not the old one on the grid. Selfish but rational.

Their fans will forgive them when they show up with an 1199 in a monocoque chassis for the 2012 season.
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:/ but they (ducati & haga) were doing damn well in the wsbk?

but... that's from my knowledge from the2009 wsbk. is the 2010 season over?
 
RS250 Chester said:
That's right, there is no evidence to support that conclusion. Even if it is correct, a business would never let that get out, as its too damaging to their image...signing someone to big bucks and not being able to pay for it.

But, as I mentioned, there are a lot more ancillary costs to signing Rossi than just his salary, none of us will ever know the true cost and who pays for what. I don't even think some of the factories know how much their MotoGP programs actually cost.

I would not be surprised if the Rossi effect contributed to their WSBK demise, and I would also not be surprised if Ducati management is using this to their advantage by pulling out, getting the rules changed (again) and coming back in. I think the biggest problem for Ducati has not been their machinery, but the fact that Tardozzi is no longer there. Yes, the factory team has not been competitive, but the Duc with Checa has been competitive and would be more in the game if it weren't for the problems in Utah.

None of us will truly know the reasons, as what Ducati says in press releases to what is actually said in the board room are 2 different things.

I also wouldn't be surprised if you see Rossi on a Ducati SBK at a few select rounds, whether it be 2011 or 2012.
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Marlboro has wanted to replace Stoner for some time and were willing to pony up for it.

The fact is, the 1198 is old and Aprilia introduced a bike outside of every other manufacturers development cycle. Ducati needs to focus on getting the new bike out there and perhaps even more important force the Flamminis to get the rules back to modified production rather than productionalized prototypes like the Aprilia.

I very seriously doubt that Ducati will be cutting expenses anywhere but rather will be putting the money into R&D rather than trucking the Corse all over the globe. On top of that, the additional amount that Rossi is going to cost Ducati isn't anywhere near the cost to run the WSBK team.
 
Karbon said:
Italians "pulling-out"? isn't that against their religion or something?
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Quite the opposite, actually. That's the only 'contraception' they are allowed .... vatican roulette.
 
JO EBRMC said:
I very seriously doubt that Ducati will be cutting expenses anywhere but rather will be putting the money into R&D rather than trucking the Corse all over the globe. On top of that, the additional amount that Rossi is going to cost Ducati isn't anywhere near the cost to run the WSBK team.
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I think it was an article from asphalt and rubber or maybe Dennis Noyes, don't remember. It said something like $10 million is the WSBK factory ducati budget, while competitive teams are in the range of $5-6 million.

I don't dispute that the bike is near the end of its run, but I don't buy that that was their only reason. Rossi forces them to tighten purse strings.....cut SBK and make the Flammini's kiss our ass and beg us to come back.....create some hype with Rossi on a SBK.....Flammini's kiss ass even more.....rules changes.....Ducati back.

BTW, I love seeing Rossi on the Duc, any Duc for that matter.
 
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