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WSBK Ducati pulls out

I think you are right on most of that but I really do not believe that Rossi's salary was a factor in the decision. I go back to Marlboro's attempts to replace Stoner last year: they were willing to pay a lot more than they were paying Stoner.

If the sponsor were anyone else, I would be willing to believe that they weren't willing to increase their budgets gien economic consitions. However, Marlboro doesn't live in the same economic world as the rest of us and they aren't spending in MotoGP with the expectation of a return on investment, they are there because they want to be and they have money falling out of their butts.
 
JO EBRMC said:
Marlboro has wanted to replace Stoner for some time and were willing to pony up for it.

The fact is, the 1198 is old and Aprilia introduced a bike outside of every other manufacturers development cycle. Ducati needs to focus on getting the new bike out there and perhaps even more important force the Flamminis to get the rules back to modified production rather than productionalized prototypes like the Aprilia.

I very seriously doubt that Ducati will be cutting expenses anywhere but rather will be putting the money into R&D rather than trucking the Corse all over the globe. On top of that, the additional amount that Rossi is going to cost Ducati isn't anywhere near the cost to run the WSBK team.
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this. i love ape, but the bike aint no production racer
 
I think it's all about allocating limited resources. Ducati is a small company, HRC probably has more degreed engineers than Ducati has total employees... and Ducati has a couple huge challenges ahead. In MotoGP, HRC has done their magic again and has delivered a total kick ass motor and Ducati needs to give Rossi something to match. And Ducati is also developing a radical new motor for the next generation superbike. Compared to those needs, spending money and engineering talent flogging the dead end Testastretta doesn't seem as important.

This is the kind of business decision that tech companies make every day. You look at available resources, prioritize your projects and decide what gets allocated the available engineering man-hours and what gets cut.
 
Also forgot to mention... Ducati has to start right now developing a new 900 or 1000cc MotoGP engine for 2012 rules at the same time they're trying to get more out of the 800 for for 2011.

So THREE major engine development projects that would have to rate as more important than tweaking the Testastretta for WorldSBK next year.


TTTom said:
I think it's all about allocating limited resources. Ducati is a small company, HRC probably has more degreed engineers than Ducati has total employees... and Ducati has a couple huge challenges ahead. In MotoGP, HRC has done their magic again and has delivered a total kick ass motor and Ducati needs to give Rossi something to match. And Ducati is also developing a radical new motor for the next generation superbike. Compared to those needs, spending money and engineering talent flogging the dead end Testastretta doesn't seem as important.

This is the kind of business decision that tech companies make every day. You look at available resources, prioritize your projects and decide what gets allocated the available engineering man-hours and what gets cut.
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This would basically mean that Ducati is no longer the Ferrari of Motorcycles :(

It took SuperSixFour showing me Victory by Design for me to understand the true commitment to racing that Ferrari has always had.

Previously, I had assumed that Ferraris were mainly built for poser a**holes.

RIP my boner for Ducati :thumbdown
 
torrey.smith said:
This would basically mean that Ducati is no longer the Ferrari of Motorcycles :(

It took SuperSixFour showing me Victory by Design for me to understand the true commitment to racing that Ferrari has always had.

Previously, I had assumed that Ferraris were mainly built for poser a**holes.

RIP my boner for Ducati :thumbdown
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why not?? they race in MOTOGP, with the biggest star in motogp?

this, alog with spies move to MTOGP the day after becoming wsbk champ, just goes to confirm that wsbk is the minor leagues and not really the big time.

Ducati has just signed the biggest star in motogp, arguabley the GOAT, to a two year deal with goals of winning the title. theyve fully commited to the top level in all of moto racing.
 
sad to see ducati out of the WSBK but it won't hurt their sales..

when rossi won the championship for yamaha, many of the starbuck crew thought, and still think, it's on the R1/R6...:wtf

i can just see new ducatis at a wine bar or jamba juice parking lots...
 
rosi replica special editions will make them far more than a wsbk title would anyway lol

just think how many rossi rep monsters theyll sell
 
i know those who bought the replicas are going to be so heart broken...

or feeling silly the following year...
 
Well, they also are getting rid of their trellis frame. I expect them to be back with a super-techy bike that makes the S1000RR look like an Atari 2600.

Now whether they'll finally break from the v-twin for a v4? Doubt it, although the Desmosedici at least gives them a way to sell it to the Ducati fan base. I'd just like it if they'd actually emulate Honda a bit in body position - it doesn't hurt then in competition to actually have a bike be comfortable.
 
"For Haga it is.."

So what's your problem with Haga? Did he take your slot on a WSBK team sometime during the last decade and a half or are you just some punter talking shit.
 
TTTom said:
Also forgot to mention... Ducati has to start right now developing a new 900 or 1000cc MotoGP engine for 2012 rules at the same time they're trying to get more out of the 800 for for 2011.

So THREE major engine development projects that would have to rate as more important than tweaking the Testastretta for WorldSBK next year.
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Very, very good point. Ducati is under the gun now as never before. They have Rossi and are expected to perform. They need to hit a bullseye with the new 1198 and the GP10 is struggling in many ways and on top of that, they need a new motor for 2012.

That is a tall order for such a small company.


Something I forgot about when we were discussing the Rossi-money issue: Marlboro is funding the program right now but Fiat will be coming along very shortly. Money isn't the issue, people and their brains are the concern.
 
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kevin 714 said:
why not?? they race in MOTOGP, with the biggest star in motogp?

this, alog with spies move to MTOGP the day after becoming wsbk champ, just goes to confirm that wsbk is the minor leagues and not really the big time.

Ducati has just signed the biggest star in motogp, arguabley the GOAT, to a two year deal with goals of winning the title. theyve fully commited to the top level in all of moto racing.
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Why not is that Ferrari has a commitment to racing that starts at the top tier and goes all the way down from there.

They sell cars to feed their racing habit :teeth

IMHO, this year has been much more interesting for SBK than for MotoGP.

I can't wait to see the next generation of ducks, but if it's not being raced by the factory in SBK or MotoGP, then what the hell is the point?

It looks like Ducati just rage quit.
 
Roughly translated from the media-speak, the mealy-mouthed Press Release says...

"We have had the whole life of WSBK with the organisers in our pockets, making the regulations so that they suit us and disadvantage everyone else. We've always been able to browbeat them into continuing our unfair advantage over the other manufacturers, but, lately, we've been getting our asses kicked by another manufacturer who has managed to make a legal bike that beats ours even though we have all the technical advantages. So, we'll call it a "prototype" and make it sound like they have an unfair advantage and, since we can't get the organisers to keep bending over backwards for us any more, we're taking our bat and ball and we're going to go home."

Typical Ducati hypocrisy at the very highest (or should that be, lowest) level.

Bye, bye, Ducati, don't let the door hit you on the way out...
 
V4 said:
sad to see ducati out of the WSBK but it won't hurt their sales..

when rossi won the championship for yamaha, many of the starbuck crew thought, and still think, it's on the R1/R6...:wtf

i can just see new ducatis at a wine bar or jamba juice parking lots...
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All I see are yamahas at starbucks. Have not seen one ducati at a starbucks in the past 2 years.
 
Interesting strategy for Ducati we'll see how it works out for them.

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Never a real fan of how the rules favored ducati over the years but with electronics the more cylinders you have now the better. They are doing some trick stuff with the cams and electronics that has raised the ceiling on the 4 cylinders development. Ducati will bounce back with a v or l4 to rain on Aprilias parade.

The only real factory teams left are going to be BMW and Aprilia next year. Kawasaki has a so called factory team but a stock gsxr is lapping faster than that piece of crap. Everyone else has walked away so Ducati is being very smart as they don't have the budget as everyone else. They truly only build street bikes to race just like what Ferrari does with cars.

For people who have never ridden a ducati and are hating there is something you are missing. I've ridden dozens and dozens of different sport bikes but once you ride a ducati superbike model the feedback you get from the road will change your thinking. If you ever get a chance to ride one on a track or in the canyons you will know what I mean.


fezzick said:
Roughly translated from the media-speak, the mealy-mouthed Press Release says...

"We have had the whole life of WSBK with the organisers in our pockets, making the regulations so that they suit us and disadvantage everyone else. We've always been able to browbeat them into continuing our unfair advantage over the other manufacturers, but, lately, we've been getting our asses kicked by another manufacturer who has managed to make a legal bike that beats ours even though we have all the technical advantages. So, we'll call it a "prototype" and make it sound like they have an unfair advantage and, since we can't get the organisers to keep bending over backwards for us any more, we're taking our bat and ball and we're going to go home."

Typical Ducati hypocrisy at the very highest (or should that be, lowest) level.

Bye, bye, Ducati, don't let the door hit you on the way out...
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