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600's Vs. Litre Bikes.

A 600 will accelarate your learning curve must faster than a Litre bike.

A 600 is much more friendly. A litre bike won't allow for chop throttle's, panic braking and other serious inputs that you could get away on with a 600.

You can ride a 600 more relaxed and not be paranoid about the rear end sliding/spinnig up (a very Welcomed feature when you get used to it. :D).

Trust me, a 600 will own in the back roads and 95% of us would be faster on a 600 on the Track, but there's just something addicting about a Litre bike. For me, it's the "slide on demand" characterisitcs.
 
Holeshot said:


Oh yeah, and it makes my Dick look bigger!
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hahahaha....Actually I think my R1 made my BALLS look bigger. When I pass guys on litre bikes with my wee-600...then THAT makes my dick look bigger....(kidding folks...just kidding) now if I could just find it in all that hair......
 
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streetsquid said:


hahahaha....Actually I think my R1 made my BALLS look bigger. When I pass guys on litre bikes with my wee-600...then THAT makes my dick look bigger....now if I could just find it in all that hair......
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Trimming......it's not just for Women anymore. :shhh
 
Robert R1 said:


Trimming......it's not just for Women anymore. :shhh
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hahaha...I'd trim the hair but I don't want to make a mistake and cut off me manhood by mistake! :laughing :teeth :) :( :cry :cry :cry :cry

...I crack myself up sometimes...hahaha
 
after going through 8 fell through deals (for one reason or another) to buy an R6, I gave up and bought the first R1 I saw...
Still grinning everytime I get off of her :teeth :laughing :laughing :laughing
 
Hmmmm.....to be honest, the reason I got the R1 after a "friend" threw my R6 down a ravine into a creek is: I couldn't find a new R6. They were all sold out. So I figured, hey, i've been riding a long time, and the R1 is pretty fun, let's get one. And I love it....I rode 600s forever - 8 (8,000+ mile) years, so I learned as much as I was gonna get out of that class without a big change. I'm getting much better with throttle control on the R1, and now I need to learn how to do power wheelies!

Plus, now I get crazy "you're a chick on a R1?!?!" looks. :teeth

Cat ^..^
 
well i got my tlr since when they first came out they looked cool to me and i could not afford a new bike so i got my tlr used from a shop. i checked em out and drooled for so long and yes i know that they race against 750's at the races because for a liter bike they put out less horsepower. but the torque is what attracted me and the low price of a used bike: )

i would love to have a 600cc bike and i dont hate on them because i know many of them can easily smoke the tlr when you got the right rider on board. for riding two up i'll stick to the liter bike and for long distances too. the added weight of a tlr helps when its just little ol me on the road going through the desert and i haev wind and tumbleweeds beatin at the front of the bike; )

peace,

john
 
oh and check this out, since the tlr was my first twin ever owned, with previous bikes being a ysr 50, hurricane 1K, two gsxr's and a fzr, i had this problem of downshifting before turns and habitually slammin my nads on the tank. that explains my high pitched voice the first few months having a twin: )

just had to get used to the way the engine brakes. live and learn ....... to sing soprano?; )

john
 
With 1000cc-4s getting so slim and light it makes for a harder argument to get a 600cc bike for the street. I love the R1 (for example) for some of the other reasons people like them...the incredible grunt coming out of slower turns.

But with the new R1 being so good....it makes it hard (if I were in the market) to buy a brand new 600 over that R1 UNLESS I was basing my decision on price.

I would have to believe that the new R1 would run rings around the R6 and the 600s aren't always the fastest bikes around the tracks anymore. I have read a few articles where the Gix1000 outran its smaller siblings on even some tighter tracks.

I agree with Holeshot on the 1000 teaches you "different" skills over the 600. You definitely need more throttle control and need to be able to "finesse" the bike to slide around without overpowering the tires. On a 600 you just wring it out and when it slides...you're happy. On the 1000, when it slides....you know it is about to get really interesting.

The 1000cc fours are REALLY nice to have when you just want to HAMMER ON the gas and check out ANYWHERE except mid-turn. They pull from almost no rpms up to redline where the 600 needs to be in the right RPMs to get moving.
 
Robert R1 said:
Trust me, a 600 will own in the back roads and 95% of us would be faster on a 600 on the Track, but there's just something addicting about a Litre bike. For me, it's the "slide on demand" characterisitcs.
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I think it's closer to 99%. I don't know if you read the activebike.com / motorcyclist magazine comparison a few years back, where different riders different riding abilities had the chance to ride an R6, a GSXR750, and an R1 out at Willow Springs.

The different motojournalists with different levels of experience (some were experienced street riders, some were experienced club racers) were all faster on the R6. This was before the 00 GSXR750 was out. The only person faster on the R1 was national race winner and Willow Springs Formula One Champion Curtis Adams.
 
Robert R1 said:
A 600 will accelarate your learning curve must faster than a Litre bike.

A 600 is much more friendly. A litre bike won't allow for chop throttle's, panic braking and other serious inputs that you could get away on with a 600.

You can ride a 600 more relaxed and not be paranoid about the rear end sliding/spinnig up (a very Welcomed feature when you get used to it. :D).

Trust me, a 600 will own in the back roads and 95% of us would be faster on a 600 on the Track, but there's just something addicting about a Litre bike. For me, it's the "slide on demand" characterisitcs.
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57's on the G1K at Buttonwillow two weeks ago, and 59's outa the R6...

Maybe it was the older tires on the 6....

I'd still say Liter over smaller...
 
Also, it seems that a new level has been reached with the G1K's as they, and their brother the GSX-R750's, are consistently the fastest things around the track, box stock...
 
I have a 600 now, but want a liter class bike. I'd bet I'm faster on the 600, but damn those liter bikes are so easy to ride. I might to go the liter because gear selection isn't so critical, because I do a lot of highway riding, and really just because I want to try something new. In the twisties I've only had one guy on a bigger bike wax my ass, but he races in AMA formula extreme and 750 SS races. Never had anyone else really pull away. Sometimes I was quicker than the bigger bikes (not talking about squids either), sometimes they were a little quicker, other times we were about the same. I've ridden a few of the big bikes and was just amazed at how easy they are to ride. No more playing with 2 or 3 gears, just roll on and off the throttle. I dont race so laptimes and things of that nature really dont matter to me. I'm out there to have fun and if I dont have to work so hard to get the most out of my 600 and can just take it a little easier while going the same speed I'll be laughing and smiling all the way home. Thats what riding is about to me.
 
Holeshot said:


57's on the G1K at Buttonwillow two weeks ago, and 59's outa the R6...

Maybe it was the older tires on the 6....

I'd still say Liter over smaller...
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Perhaps it's a diff. style of riding. You said you like the Litre bike style of riding of point and shoot rather than the 600 style of heavy corner speed. Tires could play a factor if you were sliding the 600 too much.
 
Holeshot said:
Also, it seems that a new level has been reached with the G1K's as they, and their brother the GSX-R750's, are consistently the fastest things around the track, box stock...
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Box stock, I think I'm faster on the 750. That's moreso due to the valving being better though. The front end of the G1K just plowed and chattered out whenever I tried to carry any good midcorner speed.

It'll be interesting to see if you're still faster on the 1000 at Sears, where you don't have these long straights connecting "park it" corners that the 1K just eats up. You were faster at Thunderhill last time on the R6, weren't you?
 
I have an SV650S twin... I really like the torque (especially since I changed the rear sprocket up 3 teeth - no flat spots ;) ), flickability and weight.

As for a liter... I'd definately have to try one - I'm not a 140+ mph guy (tickets at those speeds suck and I *know* I'd get 'em). I'm still thinking of an I4 in the 600-750 range - maybe a, f4i or GSXR, but it'd have to be partly naked or streetfighter. I learned on an I4 and like the twin much better maybe when the SV1000 appears :p
 
just think when the manufacturers get hayabusa type torque out of an engine which may be the same physical size as a current 600 engine?? :cool
 
MrCrash907 said:


Box stock, I think I'm faster on the 750. That's moreso due to the valving being better though. The front end of the G1K just plowed and chattered out whenever I tried to carry any good midcorner speed.

It'll be interesting to see if you're still faster on the 1000 at Sears, where you don't have these long straights connecting "park it" corners that the 1K just eats up. You were faster at Thunderhill last time on the R6, weren't you?
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Yeah, but that was also my first time with the G1K on the track and it still has a little shakeout to do on her...

I think the liter bikes suit my ridding better, cause they're more point and shoot type. It will certainly be interesting to see what happens at Sears, but my R6 also is much harder to ride than the 1K, which makes no sense. It needs some better setup for sure...
 
Had a Zx-7 and went with a CBR9RR because I was able to get it for a straight trade with my brother. I wanted the 9 for the horsepower and because I heard the 9 handled like a smaller bike but had big juevos. Sounded like the best of both worlds to me.

Went from the 9 to an R1 for the same reason although on a recent 160 mile ride through tight Santa Cruz mtn backroads, I noticed the difference in railability from the zx-7.

If / When I'm ever am able to afford some track days I plan on getting a 600 track bike.

For my non-track bike, I'll stick with the liter bike because I'm addicted to the horsepower and being a new dad I don't push the limits on the street as I did when I was solo.

Not to mention that my squid side keeps telling me that the 02 R1 sure is pretty :teeth
 
I had a 600 and now own a 250 2-stroke and a liter v-twin. IMO there is a big difference between a liter twin and inline 4. The torque on the twin is what makes riding a twin so much fun. In addition, the engine layout is compact allowing it to go through the twisties better than an inline 4, where the engine is parallel to the rider. Also, the a twin lays down the power so easily, great for going through turns.....I usually stay in 2-3 gear through 9, plenty of power through-out the band. Of course, it's not as fun as riding a 250 2-stroke through the twisities, nothing like a 275 lb bike keeping up with the bigger bikes:wow
 
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