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600's Vs. Litre Bikes.
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I started on a 500ex for only a few months as my 'starter bike', eventually getting 600 a few years later - a '95 F3. The overall size, power and handling of a 600 strikes a nice balance of all the chassis's (in general - there are a few incredible exceptions) and has plenty of "got-up-and-went" to scare the hell out of me. Like TSC said, I'll have to be able to bring my skill past the point of the bike before I can even consider something bigger. With that in mind, it will be interesting to see how development goes with 600's in the next few years... esp with the spec on the '03 Honda 600R 
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super_greg_#1
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That's why I bought this bike
I pull on almost every 600 and 1000 I ride with. My corner speeds are insane! I put my elbow down the other day, WOW
I pull on almost every 600 and 1000 I ride with. My corner speeds are insane! I put my elbow down the other day, WOW
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Oh NO! NOT Super_Greg!!!! Cool website SuperGreg! You're NUMBER 1!!!!!
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Re: RPM
With the Exup in place you may end up mistaking the sheer grunt that the 20-valve Genesis mill puts out, for a twin, no s**t. Several motojournalists have done the 2000rpm/6th-gear roll-on test. Guess what? The engine just goes without a fuss (both the carbureted and EFI models). At moderate revs it pulls harder than a schoolboy watching his first porn movei. The R1 is likewise a pussycat around town.
Oh, and about those valves...
Yammy has a 27,000 mile suggested service interval for the shim-under-bucket design. In the 3+ years and 36,000 miles I had my '99, I never had to adjust the valves once.
Troy900ss said:The differece is what RPM is your R1 producing 72 foot pounds?
My Duck makes its tourqe down low. Very easy to ride. Not to shabby with 100 fewer cc's and 12 fewer valves to work with
The R1 is faster lighter and more powerfull. What the Ducati has that the R1 misses is Mojo Baby! Ducati is King
With the Exup in place you may end up mistaking the sheer grunt that the 20-valve Genesis mill puts out, for a twin, no s**t. Several motojournalists have done the 2000rpm/6th-gear roll-on test. Guess what? The engine just goes without a fuss (both the carbureted and EFI models). At moderate revs it pulls harder than a schoolboy watching his first porn movei. The R1 is likewise a pussycat around town.
Oh, and about those valves...
Yammy has a 27,000 mile suggested service interval for the shim-under-bucket design. In the 3+ years and 36,000 miles I had my '99, I never had to adjust the valves once. 
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I recently traded my 2000 R1 for a 2000 RC51 and I must say that I really like the RC51 better. The steering is more neutral and it doesn't stand up when on the brakes in a corner. But that is just hardware.
The real difference is the engine configurations. I really like the power delivery (pulses) of the big twin. My RC is not stock so it has a much better chance to run with an R1 - which admittedly has MORE horsepower but not torque.
I always thought that my riding style suited the I4 but it seems that I can ride my twin faster than my R1. I think it has to do with the rear wheel spinning up more often on the R1 over the RC's slip-grip-slip-grip action.
Again....my RC is not stock but it is indicative of lots of RCs out there as my mods are fairly commonplace.
The real difference is the engine configurations. I really like the power delivery (pulses) of the big twin. My RC is not stock so it has a much better chance to run with an R1 - which admittedly has MORE horsepower but not torque.
I always thought that my riding style suited the I4 but it seems that I can ride my twin faster than my R1. I think it has to do with the rear wheel spinning up more often on the R1 over the RC's slip-grip-slip-grip action.
Again....my RC is not stock but it is indicative of lots of RCs out there as my mods are fairly commonplace.
morthrane
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streetsquid, R1's typically have more torque than alot of liter twins... but they're not as easily ridden. Or supposedly, as I've never really gotten to romp on a liter twin, just test ride 'em once in a while
It just goes to show that just because a dyno says "72ft/lbs peak torque" (a hair above a mille I believe), it doesn't show the overall performance of the bike either.
It just goes to show that just because a dyno says "72ft/lbs peak torque" (a hair above a mille I believe), it doesn't show the overall performance of the bike either.
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dragonbro said:it wasn't a progression thing for me or a "small thing" complex either. i started motorcycles on a 1984 gpz550. tried racing a bit on a rs250b (not very sucessfull) had two gsxr-750's, then took an 8 yr leave of absence to bikes (unfortunatly). i fell in love with the TLR's unique appearance and style. i liked the fact that it was always rated as an underdog. i liked the torque and hp numbers too. rode one, and i knew i had to have one. i definatly rode my 750's faster on the street, but i really like my TLR and i'm still learning how to respect its liter size!
Any guesses on the SV1000 coming out? I may go get one when the bugs are worked out. Its sounds like the ticket to me
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I have ridden a few..and raced a few.
RGV500 Gamma was a fun one..('87)
Ninja 600 ('85) a little spooky with the 16" wheel
Katana 600 ('88 and '89) no power , but very easy to ride
GSXR 750 ('89) Fat , but very competitive..
Then after all the Suzuki cup stuff I bought a Harley...DOH!!
Then back to sportees for the street.
TL1000s ('97) for the street and track days..
Then the R6 ('00) strickly for the track because I need to re-hone some skills and wanted to not be overwhelmed with the speed into the corners as Mcrash said..That was a good choice for me.
Not the kind of power to get you all freaky deaky..but enough to stay with most of my friends at track days..After 3 years of tracking it ..I now have the Duc 998 to explore a liter bike on the track too..
Love the ease of the liter on the street..besides I am not in full rail mode on the street...(Well hardly ever)
Love the willness to flog of the R6 on the track..(ride it like a 2 stroke!)
Love the idea of blowing off a few bud's at the track on big bikes with the Duc..we'll see next year..
I think the little bikes make for a quicker learning curve at the track for sure...and I wanted to re- learn to go fast..I have never regretted getting the R6 for that very reason.
Am I expert enough to make use of the power of the Duc..we shall see..
I have ridden a few..and raced a few.
RGV500 Gamma was a fun one..('87)
Ninja 600 ('85) a little spooky with the 16" wheel
Katana 600 ('88 and '89) no power , but very easy to ride
GSXR 750 ('89) Fat , but very competitive..
Then after all the Suzuki cup stuff I bought a Harley...DOH!!
Then back to sportees for the street.
TL1000s ('97) for the street and track days..
Then the R6 ('00) strickly for the track because I need to re-hone some skills and wanted to not be overwhelmed with the speed into the corners as Mcrash said..That was a good choice for me.
Not the kind of power to get you all freaky deaky..but enough to stay with most of my friends at track days..After 3 years of tracking it ..I now have the Duc 998 to explore a liter bike on the track too..
Love the ease of the liter on the street..besides I am not in full rail mode on the street...(Well hardly ever)
Love the willness to flog of the R6 on the track..(ride it like a 2 stroke!)
Love the idea of blowing off a few bud's at the track on big bikes with the Duc..we'll see next year..
I think the little bikes make for a quicker learning curve at the track for sure...and I wanted to re- learn to go fast..I have never regretted getting the R6 for that very reason.
Am I expert enough to make use of the power of the Duc..we shall see..
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I got mine because the Speed Triple only comes in one engine size brand new (955cc). I was really looking for something smaller 600-750. But I fell in love with the Triumph.
The bike I had before was a thumper: Honda GB500, a 500-single cafe racer. It was a huge step up, but I really like the torque and comfort the Triumph has on long distance trips. I've driven to Los Angeles and other places around California.
The bike I had before was a thumper: Honda GB500, a 500-single cafe racer. It was a huge step up, but I really like the torque and comfort the Triumph has on long distance trips. I've driven to Los Angeles and other places around California.
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This is kind of off-subject but interesting.
I was looking over practice times over various classes from the AMA race @ VIR. It got me thinking about this thread and the discussion over different size bikes. Granted I'm looking @ pro-racing times and not real world application. It's interesting to note the times.
To my surprise, the 2-stoke 250 GP leader was faster than both the 600 Supersport and 750 Superstock class. 2 seconds slower than Formula Extreme and almost 4 seconds slower than Haydens Superbike time.
I have a 250 2-stroke myself....I've always known they can stay with a 600 on a track, but I wasn't expecting the times to actually be better for the top rders. Too bad this class is being eliminated, not too many people can identify with these bikes, unlike 600's.
I was looking over practice times over various classes from the AMA race @ VIR. It got me thinking about this thread and the discussion over different size bikes. Granted I'm looking @ pro-racing times and not real world application. It's interesting to note the times.
To my surprise, the 2-stoke 250 GP leader was faster than both the 600 Supersport and 750 Superstock class. 2 seconds slower than Formula Extreme and almost 4 seconds slower than Haydens Superbike time.
I have a 250 2-stroke myself....I've always known they can stay with a 600 on a track, but I wasn't expecting the times to actually be better for the top rders. Too bad this class is being eliminated, not too many people can identify with these bikes, unlike 600's.
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liter vs. 600
I've Owned a 2001 ZX6R for a year(first bike). I really liked the fact that it was very forgiving in the turns and easy to handle. I then upgraded to a 2002 ZX9R. This at first felt like a bad decision, I was gaining almost 30 hp. After the break-in period, I noticed that the weight, torque, and the long gearing made street riding much more comfortable. I have had the ZX9 for 5 months now. I went from a 600 rider not being able to scrub the chicken-strips off my tires, to dragging knee at thunder hill on the ZX9. I think the progression from 600 to liter-bike made me a better rider.
As far as the twins go, I am now riding a 2000 Aprilia Mille R. I Love the fact that twins have excelent corner acceleration. But don't like the fact that they don't have the straight-away speed. I was killing RC51's all day long on the ZX9.
I now find myself wanting to try a 600 again to see if I can ride that faster than my liter bikes.
I've Owned a 2001 ZX6R for a year(first bike). I really liked the fact that it was very forgiving in the turns and easy to handle. I then upgraded to a 2002 ZX9R. This at first felt like a bad decision, I was gaining almost 30 hp. After the break-in period, I noticed that the weight, torque, and the long gearing made street riding much more comfortable. I have had the ZX9 for 5 months now. I went from a 600 rider not being able to scrub the chicken-strips off my tires, to dragging knee at thunder hill on the ZX9. I think the progression from 600 to liter-bike made me a better rider.
As far as the twins go, I am now riding a 2000 Aprilia Mille R. I Love the fact that twins have excelent corner acceleration. But don't like the fact that they don't have the straight-away speed. I was killing RC51's all day long on the ZX9.
I now find myself wanting to try a 600 again to see if I can ride that faster than my liter bikes.
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A lot of people feel that they are faster on the litre bikes due to the "Point and Shoot" method of riding on the street. The 600's require much more finesse, a lot more entry and corner speed and they need to carry that momentum all the way through to the next corner.
I see a lot of guys on Litre bikes park the bike mid corner, stand it up and give it full throttle. Their entry and mid corner speed sucks. So do the excuses that go with it.
I see a lot of guys on Litre bikes park the bike mid corner, stand it up and give it full throttle. Their entry and mid corner speed sucks. So do the excuses that go with it.
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Coming from a guy that's had trouble mid corner....
The point and shoot method is much safer on the street as well, without the undue hardships of hitting gravel, fluid, etc while at max lean on a 600...
Sorry, for the street Liter bikes rule...
How was the suspension this time out? Did we fuck it up or get it better?
The point and shoot method is much safer on the street as well, without the undue hardships of hitting gravel, fluid, etc while at max lean on a 600...
Sorry, for the street Liter bikes rule...
How was the suspension this time out? Did we fuck it up or get it better?
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Re: liter vs. 600
I'm scary the crap out of myself on the straights but you feel your mille doesn't have the oats? how about a nice 44T rear or more, that should balance the bike out more overall?
turns, I'm still trying to get sorted on this monster. let alone the slipper clutch action and downshifts. walking on eggshells still but not trying to push things. first case of headshakes today just fooling around.
I feel like a :cowboy riding a big black pissed off bull. and remember, I weight about the same as a horse jockey! these are all way too much bike for the streets in reality. looking forward to the open road next.
MadKawJERM said:
I'm scary the crap out of myself on the straights but you feel your mille doesn't have the oats? how about a nice 44T rear or more, that should balance the bike out more overall?turns, I'm still trying to get sorted on this monster. let alone the slipper clutch action and downshifts. walking on eggshells still but not trying to push things. first case of headshakes today just fooling around.
I feel like a :cowboy riding a big black pissed off bull. and remember, I weight about the same as a horse jockey!
these are all way too much bike for the streets in reality. looking forward to the open road next.Holeshot said:
The preload increases both front and rear made it too stiff for the street. I put it back to 6lines showing in front and 4clicks in the back. The bike is awesome for the street. The fall in char.'s are gone and the bike is planted. BTW, you have got to get out to these roads, simply amazing. We didn't get back until 7:30p.m. thus I didn't call you guys to go hit up the wall.
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Holeshot said:
I think you hit the nail on the head with that one
super_greg_#1
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Super Greg hit a nail on the head and got a flat rear tire on Saturday night which prevented him from going on the ride. It was, what we call in Uzbekistan (where I'm from), a real 'poopie incident'.
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does it look like Super_Greg_#1 has only one huge eyebrow?