AB1371 - Another victory the spandex squad

[babyhuyx]

Sorry Sparky, I was with ya all the way until you said that. Blowing a stop sign, at speed without even slowing the same as slowing down so you can stop should you have to?

I ride my bicycle every day and I stop at stop signs. I make it fun by doing a stoppie or balancing, momentum really is just BS. I was going up a hill the other day that peaks and the downhill side has stop signs due to cross streets. I passed a woman cycling up hill and when I stopped at the sign on the downhill side, she blew right through it. Without really thinking, I blurted out, "Fuck you, you're supposed to stop". I noticed she stopped at the next stop sign. Peer pressure at it's best.

Albiet in my defense I ride a mountain bike for commute, so i'm not exactly blowing through anything :| Now if I was on a road bike......
I do slow down to a crawl if I see cars.

 

[babyhuyx]

3ft rule bro. Anyone remember this video from youtube at mullholland.

Ah Found it
[youtube]dNFaAqS2f18[/youtube]

Now that I think about it...mulloholland is near hollywood (LA) and

PS. incase you're wondering how this came about .. "AB1371, was sponsored by Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, an avid cyclist who was injured in 2010 after a taxi driver abruptly pulled in front of him."

so....coincidence?

 

[phocup]

3ft rule bro. Anyone remember this video from youtube at mullholland.

Ah Found it
[youtube]dNFaAqS2f18[/youtube]

Now that I think about it...mulloholland is near hollywood (LA) and

so....coincidence?

In this case, I don't think the cause of the accident was the rider "buzzing" the bicyclist. He made a mistake and would have ended up in that portion of the road regardless. The cyclists being there was just an unfortunate coincidence. This law would not have prevented this accident nor made a difference in anyway except perhaps the rider get an extra $220 fine.

 

[babyhuyx]

In this case, I don't think the cause of the accident was the rider "buzzing" the bicyclist. He made a mistake and would have ended up in that portion of the road regardless. The cyclists being there was just an unfortunate coincidence. This law would not have prevented this accident nor made a difference in anyway except perhaps the rider get an extra $220 fine.

actually it looks more like the cyclist is what caused him to go off. He saw the cyclists, straightened up, and fixated. You clearly see at the 3 second mark the sudden jerk of the bike straightening.

 

[ALANRIDER7]

If they want to share the road, they should share the expenses as well.

 

[Cheyenne]

I don't understand this stop sign stuff. If a rider blows a stop sign and you hit them, is it your fault?

I run them all the time on my bike, whenever I want. Sometimes I stop at them though. It all depends on what other traffic is doing. Since other bicyclists are so erratic, I direct traffic as needed, for instance, if I'm coming up to a stop sign, and a car is there waiting, and looking at me because they aren't sure if I'm an asshat, I wave them through. If they are just coming up to the stop, I blow through it, as we'll both have to wait longer if I don't.

I understand that most people aren't smart enough to actually enable traffic to move smoother, but I'm not going to hold things up for myself or anyone else if I don't have to. I break tons of traffic laws every time I bike, and get smiles and waves from auto drivers and motorcyclists who appreciate my style of going with the flow. Some would say that it's more work, but it really doesn't feel like it, it feels like I'm in control of the situation. It feels good.

Passing bikes in my car on mountain roads? It's just not that big a deal. In the rare case that a group of bikes are being total dicks, I lean on the horn (like, I keep it going until I'm way past them) while smiling a huge smile and waving all friendly like. They get so confused, it's great!

TL;DR = Can't we all just get along?

 

[redtail]

If they want to share the road, they should share the expenses as well.

A totally unpopular point of view but one I happen to agree with.

A park ranger almost got fired when he brought up that cyclist using the Mt Diablo park should pay a fee like all the other park users. The local bike coalition jumped all over him.

The national parks got it right, the bigger the vehicle, the bigger the fee; peds, cyclist, motorcyclist, cars and RV's. Just seems right.

 

[ohio]

Basically establishes that in an accident that occurs from crowding, the default is that the car was at fault. Not that different than when you open a roadside door after parallel parking, you are default responsible should that door hit another car or motorcyclist. Puts the onus on the party that has the ability to do something about it. A driver isn't going to get ticketed just for breaking the bubble, but if it results in an accident you can be pretty sure it'll land on the driver.

I'd prefer people just know how to drive and keep their road rage in check, but the law doesn't seem like a big deal that will have any functional detriment on my driving experience (since I already drove that way) while making me incrementally safer on a bicycle.

 

[TTTom]

Oh shit... let's all sing together!!!

I'm a victim, I'm a victim WAAH WAAH WAAH
I'm oppressed, I'm oppressed WAAH WAAH WAAH
It's not fair, it's not fair WAAH WAAH WAAH
I'm a victim, I'm a victim WAAH WAAH WAAH

 

[frozenuts]

Damn it. I can't have my wife drive so I can swat them on the ass anymore. I guess I need to bring a spatula now, but honestly it will not be nearly as satisfying.

 

[two wheel tramp]

You know, if you just replaced bicycle with motorcycle, the op would b right at home on a Prius forum and we'd all be appalled at the vitriol and complete douchbaggery of the attitude.

That is true.

Sorry Sparky, I was with ya all the way until you said that. Blowing a stop sign, at speed without even slowing the same as slowing down so you can stop should you have to?

I ride my bicycle every day and I stop at stop signs. I make it fun by doing a stoppie or balancing, momentum really is just BS. I was going up a hill the other day that peaks and the downhill side has stop signs due to cross streets. I passed a woman cycling up hill and when I stopped at the sign on the downhill side, she blew right through it. Without really thinking, I blurted out, "Fuck you, you're supposed to stop". I noticed she stopped at the next stop sign. Peer pressure at it's best.

I have had similar run ins and yelled at cyclists while on my bike.

If they want to share the road, they should share the expenses as well.

Tired and incorrect argument is tired Alanrider. Many cyclists also own cars.

 

[LettuceDeep]

Condescending or not, this is a stupid law that will be abused by the already entitled road mongers of California. Daily, no exaggeration, I see people on bicycles blow through stop signs and red lights. The arguments about maintaining momentum don't matter if you're going to demand we share the road and give you all the same rights and responsibilities as motorized transports. This is going to be abused all day and the same dicks who punched my car for trying to drive on a road during their drink and ride Bike Party are going to be chuckling all day about forcing traffic behind them to go 10mph.

Bias accepted.

There are asshole drivers, there are asshole motorcyclists, there are asshole cyclists, there are asshole pedestrians. If I follow your line of thought, we should have nobody on the road.

Also: Stop as yield.

If they want to share the road, they should share the expenses as well.

Can't tell if serious, but once again...

A totally unpopular point of view but one I happen to agree with.

A park ranger almost got fired when he brought up that cyclist using the Mt Diablo park should pay a fee like all the other park users. The local bike coalition jumped all over him.

The national parks got it right, the bigger the vehicle, the bigger the fee; peds, cyclist, motorcyclist, cars and RV's. Just seems right.

Once again...

I don't see why everybody in this day and age feels like government services should only be enjoyed at a fee.

 

[antidote]

TL; DR everyone is a douchebag these days so screw whatever you all are bitchin about and do whatever you want. To hell with other road users and rules or laws

Law enforcement is too understaffed to give a shit (ex: see ANY bay area news story to prove how wild west things are gettin)

 

[sanjuro]

I don't know what to tell you.

I avoid riding roads without shoulders so I have never ridden my road bike on Skyline Boulevard. I know roads like that piss off motorcyclists when the bicyclists are not in single file all the time, riding on the literal edge of the pavement.

I have ridden bicycles almost everywhere else in the Bay Area and I don't particularly like being buzzed by cars. It does not make me feel good. It does not make me feel safe.

Now that I ride motorcycles, I am not too worried about being buzzed by cars. Not because I do not mind being buzzed on a motorcycle, but because I do not let it happen. I own a liter bike and I ride it fast.

I remember being on 6th Street headed from Market to Townsend during evening rush hour. I didn't realize it had no bike lane, but I figured 5 blocks, what could happen?

A sedan full with yuppies turned the 5 foot gap next to the parked cars that I was riding in into a 3 foot gap. It is such a minor thing in a car to turn your steering wheel slightly, but if I was not as experienced as I am, I am sure I would have panicked, grabbed my front brake and swerved into a moving car doing about 25mph.

Please do not point what else I could have done to avoid this situation. It is simply one moment out of millions that I have done on two wheels. It is like saying if I was never born, this would not have happened.

So as a driver and a motorcyclist, I can survive with passing my fellow cyclists with 3 feet. For me, it happens about once every 2 months because I rarely drive.

 

[redtail]

Tired and incorrect argument is tired Alanrider. Many cyclists also own cars.

Okay, so with that logic, I shouldn't have to pay to register additional vehicles once I register the first one? Once you register your first vehicle, you have carte blanche to take anything you want on the road? I've noticed that the DMV does NOT have a multi vehicle discount, each one I take on the road, I pay for.

 

[SFSV650]

I ride in the city a fair amount on a bicycle. I stop at stop signs and stop lights. I stay to the right. I obey the traffic laws. Probably every ride longer than twenty minutes I have to take evasive action to avoid getting hit by a car. I also see motorcyclists riding in the bicycle only path. Like has been said, a small minority of cyclists given many a bad name.

Squids gonna squid, whether they're walking out into traffic, blazing through red lights on a fixie, riding 3-abreast in spandex, parking their cruiser in turns, tucking their sprotbikes under guardrails, crossing the DY on every turn in a 'hot' rental car, hogging 3 lanes in a Ram, making a u-turn on a one way street in a Corolla, or tracking an oblivious swathe down 280 cellphone in hand. The other 90% of us just have to get on with not being total asshats.

Unfortunately it's human nature to focus on the outliers, and then legislate to control them, and the reality of our society is that we then enforce those rules extremely inconsistently, catching a small number of asshats and a large number of folks who are acting in good faith in the same net, making the rules seem arbitrary and failing to impact behavior. Then we do it all again next year.

 

[redtail]

I don't see why everybody in this day and age feels like government services should only be enjoyed at a fee.

Well wait, who is paying then, your think the park maintains itself for free? Personally I prefer those who patronize the parks, pay, don't increase everybody's taxes.

 

[babyhuyx]

Quote:

Originally Posted by LettuceDeep

I don't see why everybody in this day and age feels like government services should only be enjoyed at a fee.

Well wait, who is paying then, your think the park maintains itself for free? Personally I prefer those who patronize the parks, pay, don't increase everybody's taxes.

If that happened our parks would be dead.


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[SFSV650]

If that happened our parks would be dead.


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Or be hella expensive and gloriously empty

 

[babyhuyx]

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfcootz

Tired and incorrect argument is tired Alanrider. Many cyclists also own cars.

Okay, so with that logic, I shouldn't have to pay to register additional vehicles once I register the first one? Once you register your first vehicle, you have carte blanche to take anything you want on the road? I've noticed that the DMV does NOT have a multi vehicle discount, each one I take on the road, I pay for.

Dmv department of motor vehicles. Last I checked bicycles aren't motored.


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