Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

[FXCLM5]

Oooh, this thread made me come back to barf

So ummm yea, I dealt with some asian hate crimes when I grew up.

I got suspended for punching a kid and giving him a bloody lip when he called me a chink in 7th or 8th grade. He was always a rude punk and that day he dropped that word, I just clocked him in the mouth.

My immediate neighbor's kid that was a few years older than me (my parents had a normal neighborly repertoire with the adults but the kids never really talked at all), one day when I was walking back from h/s, I see my neighbor, we NEVER talked before, he was some grunge rocker punk dood that I just didn't associate with. He was with his group of friends though, I didn't really think of anything of it at the time, but that 1/2 mile walk home I got spat at, thrown rocks at and one of them tried to kick/trip me.

I also briefly mentioned this with the george floyd thread, my local community is still dealing with a wrongful illegal use of force that resulted in a drunk asian man getting shot dead when he had a broom in his hand, the officer stated he had a broom in his hand, he is asian and must know kung fu and was scared.

Just this week, my uncle 73 years of age is a realtor and was showing a listing, as he got out of his car he said some white guy just stared him down and walked across the street to bump him and just kept locking eyes waiting for my uncle to do something awkward to initiate a fight. He just said - I just ignored him and been dealing with this all my life.

So not exactly sure of all the media hype (just this last year) there has always been hate for asians, it's just the time and situation we are in right now where more ppl feel like they can or should or want to join that azn hate bandwagon now in a more public matter

 

[scootergmc]

Sadly, you haven't followed the thread, and you're playing victim now.

Does that linked article have anything to do with a "hate crime" other than the victim was Asian?

I've followed what I need to follow for my replies. I'm referring to the bandwagon media, the "study" they've been referencing, and this supposed massive hate crime wave. The blood in the streets just ain't flowing like they want you to believe and isolated experiences do not a hate crime wave make. If that makes me playing the victim in your eyes, so be it. If more people want to post an attack on Asians and assume they were attacked because of their race, so be it. Do crimes against Asians occur? Yes. Do some crimes against Asians occurring because of their race? Yes. Are some poeple racist towards Asians? Yes.

 

[FXCLM5]

Yea been happening ain't nothing new,

Something along the lines of warriors winning ships and the 9ers make it to the superbowl,we had a poopload of bandwagon riders hop on.

I want to say this is kind of the same scenario? Fueled by the pandemic

 

[lizard]

Oooh, this thread made me come back to barf

So ummm yea, I dealt with some asian hate crimes when I grew up.

I got suspended for punching a kid and giving him a bloody lip when he called me a chink in 7th or 8th grade. He was always a rude punk and that day he dropped that word, I just clocked him in the mouth.

My immediate neighbor's kid that was a few years older than me (my parents had a normal neighborly repertoire with the adults but the kids never really talked at all), one day when I was walking back from h/s, I see my neighbor, we NEVER talked before, he was some grunge rocker punk dood that I just didn't associate with. He was with his group of friends though, I didn't really think of anything of it at the time, but that 1/2 mile walk home I got spat at, thrown rocks at and one of them tried to kick/trip me.

I also briefly mentioned this with the george floyd thread, my local community is still dealing with a wrongful illegal use of force that resulted in a drunk asian man getting shot dead when he had a broom in his hand, the officer stated he had a broom in his hand, he is asian and must know kung fu and was scared.

Just this week, my uncle 73 years of age is a realtor and was showing a listing, as he got out of his car he said some white buy just stared him down and walked across the street to bump him and just kept locking eyes waiting for my uncle to do something awkward to initiate a fight. He just said - I just ignored him and been dealing with this all my life.

So not exactly sure of all the media hype (just this last year) there has always been hate for asians, it's just the time and situation we are in right now where more ppl feel like they can or should or want to join that azn hate bandwagon now in a more public matter

Jesus F. Your stories are like mine that I posted earlier in this thread.

 

[Eldritch]

Oh, I don't know:
Oh, the old, "it's a tool" thing again:
I can't recall ever hearing you say that every American should own a hammer and screwdriver and know how to use them. Something is a little off here.
There is no civic responsibility to own hand tools spelled out in the Constitution and neither is there one to own firearms.

Yes, read it carefully and clearly, nothing there mandatory. Our Citizens SHOULD be good Americans. Most are not and that is their choice. The most important civil liberty in a free society is the right to be wrong and make bad choices, for people not to do the things the should do if they were being their best selves.

I have actually advocated owning and using your own tools on the board, although it doesn't come up as much. Knowing how to fix your own property and equipment to some extent is just about being a good and functional human, not a matter of civil rights.

The constitution however is quite clear that the militia is necessary. This is an obvious indication of what a person of civic responsibility does. The more you own and exercise your civil rights in a responsible fashion the better you express the strength of your identity as a citizen.

It's just like how good citizens should not readily comply with DUI checkpoints or stop and frisk policing as an exercise of their 4th Amendment protections.

We have our civil rights for a reason. A good citizen does not take them for granted, understands them, and exercises them in whatever way they best can to the benefit of society.

 

[GAJ]

The subject came up when we were discussing the personal experience I and some others have had with Asian associates of ours that had recently been interested in looking into firearms for security reasons and you decided to get all huffy about it.

Perhaps you forgot posting this piece of inflammatory narrative.

I'm sorry but this is indeed batshit crazy paranoid thinking.

"People who do not keep and bear arms in preparation to serve in the militia are the same as people who do not vote."

EDIT: BTW, I do applaud your efforts to help those interested in self defense.

 

[Eldritch]

Perhaps you forgot posting this piece of inflammatory narrative.

I'm sorry but this is indeed batshit crazy paranoid thinking.



EDIT: BTW, I do applaud your efforts to help those interested in self defense.

I have not forgotten it and I still stand by it. Your response is an insult, not an argument.

Understanding that human life has no inherent value, violence is the foundation of all law, and humans using violence against one another to maintain society never ends, you have failed even to describe what is paranoid or, "batshit crazy."

I offer you as evidence for my case the entire breadth of human history without personal bias, moral preference, or any supposition that humanity should ever be anything other than what it has always been.

Your sentiment appears in its simple expression so far to be deeply entrenched in your own personal privilege and limited life experience rather than education and dispassionate rational conclusions.

If that is in fact the case and you have no other argument than what your single life experience has been and what you feel, then it seems by description you would be the one who is, "batshit crazy."

I would again suggest the larger matter of civic responsibility be tabled in favor of focusing more on the OP's subject matter.

 

[gnahc79]

my last thought on the Atlanta shootings. There's so much push back here...the need for real data to care. Not much empathy, it's unfortunate.

opinion piece, I know
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/20/opinions/atlanta-spa-shootings-a-hate-crime-hong/index.html

This is how it goes. People want proof a hate crime has been committed. You provide proof. They say your proof is "anecdotal." You ask how many racial bias incidents it would take for them to be embarrassed by the word "anecdotal." They shift the subject: The shooter doesn't hate Asians; he hates women. No, he doesn't hate women, exactly, he hates how they make him feel. Are you saying sex addiction isn't a real malady? What about Bill Clinton?
Before you know it, you're too angry and tired to continue. And they win.

My wife is hosting an Asian American event this evening. The Asian Americans attending will share their stories and thoughts about the Atlanta shootings. Hopefully the non-Asians attending will hear the stories, the pain and show understanding and empathy.

I would really like the azn BARFers here to continue sharing their stories.

 

[GAJ]

I have not forgotten it and I still stand by it. Your response is an insult, not an argument.

Anyone who thinks everyone who is a good Citizen should have a gun and be prepared to join a militia has a warped view of the US.

Even in the late 1700s/early 1800s no more than 60 percent of Citizens owned a functioning gun and that number is 40 percent today.

You are in the minority for a reason.

Why you brought that nonsense into this thread is beyond me.

 

[Eldritch]

Anyone who thinks everyone who is a good Citizen should have a gun and be prepared to join a militia has a warped view of the US.

Even in the late 1700s/early 1800s no more than 60 percent of Citizens owned a functioning gun and that number is 40 percent today.

You are in the minority for a reason.

Why you brought that nonsense into this thread is beyond me.

Your statistics are invalid. Your arguments continue to fail. My position is that in order to be a good and responsible citizen, its citizens must understand and exercise their civil rights.

Using this logic, if you assume that good citizens need not be prepared to participate in the militia, you must also assume the good citizen has no obligation to vote, refuse unlawful searches, or speak critically of government.

If you feel the good citizen should not vote or speak their mind, there is no reason to continue. Your illogical position is beyond reasoning with.

This topic came to bear, because members of the Asian community are arming themselves in response to these unwarranted attacks against them, which while mentioning my alliance to that cause in the interest of helping all my fellow Americans become better citizens, it seems to have triggered you into some sort of weird death spiral of protest.

Brace yourself to freak out more, I also answer questions when my fellow Americans ask me what I think of propositions and candidates, what the easiest way to vote is, and what their legal rights are when being detained by the Police.

This assistance in the fellowship and empowerment of all Americans is most important in the American immigrant community, with whom I often interact, as they are often some of the least informed citizens of how to practice their essential civil rights.

I will continue to aid my fellow Americans, you may do as you wish, it is a free country.

 

[MysterYvil]

Afghans have been fighting outside invaders for millennia and bear no more similarity to the wannabe US militia types than sharks do to minnows.

The whole idea that we need guns in the US in the modern day to do anything other than hunt, target shoot, or have at home in case of protection from a criminal or wild animal in the rural areas is preposterous, even more so in the context of this thread.

How many Afghans have you met? How many US militia types?

I think you may be relying a bit too much on media portrayals of both. In any case, what you take as batshit crazy may be a lot more common than you know but your privilege makes the truth academic.

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[lizard]

...
I would really like the azn BARFers here to continue sharing their stories.

I would only like to add to my earlier post is when I think of all those innumerable times I was spit at, taunted, received a baseball bat to the roof of my car while driving, took a glass bottle to the side of my moving car from the car next to me, cut off by a car on my road bike, on and on and on and on, ... I was always outnumbered. AND I don’t ever recall a time when I was among friends and a lesser number of guys tried to start shit.

 

[tzrider]

Lizard, that makes sense, as bullies look for a victim, not a fight.

 

[littlebeast]

The moment you say people are obligated to own guns, you're stepping on their freedom. In no way is a right an obligation and you're in no position to opine on what other people should do.

lol - yeah, this would probably be the most effective form of gun control. if the government came out and said you must own a gun, all the ‘freedom rights’ people would immediately be like ‘the hell you say! the government can’t tell me what to do!....wait, wut?’

 

[sf250gto]

lol - yeah, this would probably be the most effective form of gun control. if the government came out and said you must own a gun, all the ‘freedom rights’ people would immediately be like ‘the hell you say! the government can’t tell me what to do!....wait, wut?’

That’s health insurance.

 

[Kurosaki]

I'm not jiving with this all US citizens should be obligated to own guns things either.

I know too many people just off the top of my head who should not own guns.

 

[Climber]

I'm not jiving with this all US citizens should be obligated to own guns things either.

I know too many people just off the top of my head who should not own guns.

Agreed.

And some of the most rabid pro-gun people are among the people who really shouldn't own guns as much of their fetish to own them centers around respect/fear of others to see them carrying a gun. They are emotional bullies getting a kick out of having the upper hand with others.

 

[GAJ]

I'm not jiving with this all US citizens should be obligated to own guns things either.

I know too many people just off the top of my head who should not own guns.

No fucking kidding.

How this political bullshit about militias is allowed to continue in the KS is beyond me.

Evidently I'm "anti vote" now.

Take the political bullshit to the Political Area.

 

[AbsolutEnduser]

OT: NYC - https://twitter.com/ProducedbyRita/status/1373791102118068228

 

[KooLaid]

Anyone who thinks everyone who is a good Citizen should have a gun and be prepared to join a militia has a warped view of the US.

Even in the late 1700s/early 1800s no more than 60 percent of Citizens owned a functioning gun and that number is 40 percent today.

You are in the minority for a reason.

Why you brought that nonsense into this thread is beyond me.

When was the last time your sisters, brothers and parents were hunted down?

It makes a big difference in perception. My parents, brothers and sisters hid in a snake infested jungle and floated on garbage scrap across a huge river while being hunted by death squads and boat patrols because my father was a cop before the communist take over. Tell ya what, he could give a shit less about your statistics on gun ownership in America when it was our family being hunted with no way to even fight back or shoot back after the government went door to door to take away their firearms.