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Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Climber said:
Agreed.

And some of the most rabid pro-gun people are among the people who really shouldn't own guns as much of their fetish to own them centers around respect/fear of others to see them carrying a gun. They are emotional bullies getting a kick out of having the upper hand with others.
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GAJ said:
No fucking kidding.

How this political bullshit about militias is allowed to continue in the KS is beyond me.

Evidently I'm "anti vote" now.

Take the political bullshit to the Political Area.
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Hell, just the other week I was at a friend's home. He had too much to drink, and was holding his pistol. I took the magazine and put it in my pocket.

I don't have a problem with him owning a gun. I was just flat out not comfortable with having a gun and a magazine accessible to someone who's already had too much to drink. I told him he can have it back the day I leave. Or you can have it back and I'll leave now.

Yes, responsible gun ownership should have happened here. But, alcohol makes people choose less-than-smart choices sometimes.

I'm gonna take a leap and say probably half of US citizens shouldn't own a gun. That's not a political statement, just one of considering what the 'average' person is capable of. Fuck no, every US citizen should not own a gun or feel obligated to do so.
 
Kurosaki said:
That's not a political statement, just one of considering what the 'average' person is capable of. Fuck no, every US citizen should not own a gun or feel obligated to do so.
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Having to kill someone to save your life or someone else's is not an average situation. Even the most well trained will have a hard time when confronted with it. Sometimes you don't know until it happens. Until then, better safe then sorry. That's why I carry a fire extinguisher in my pick up truck, first aide kit, tow strap, tie downs, masks, gloves, water, blanket, jumper cables.
 
KooLaid said:
Having to kill someone to save your life or someone else's is not an average situation. Even the most well trained will have a hard time when confronted with it. Sometimes you don't know until it happens. Until then, better safe then sorry. That's why I carry a fire extinguisher in my pick up truck, first aide kit, tow strap, tie downs, masks, gloves, water, blanket, jumper cables.
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Even more reason why I don't think the average citizen should have a gun. Because you're right, killing someone isn't an average situation.

If we're going to say even the most well trained person has a hard time with this, and that's a fair statement, then the majority of people aren't well trained.

A large percentage of people aren't even good at operating a car. I'm not a cynic but I'm not down with the idea someone who can't be bothered with parking a car between the lines should be a gun owner.

I'm fine with 'better safe than sorry', and I won't pretend to be the master of gun statistics but it seems there's no shortage of stories of people with guns that ended up with no one being safe, and everyone was sorry.

I am not against gun ownership or restrictions. But I will file owning a gun under the category of, "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should."

There can be quite a bit to unpack there, with these statements, worthy of discussion but ultimately I'm sticking with NO, as far as the idea of the average person owning a gun.
 
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KooLaid said:
When was the last time your sisters, brothers and parents were hunted down?

It makes a big difference in perception. My parents, brothers and sisters hid in a snake infested jungle and floated on garbage scrap across a huge river while being hunted by death squads and boat patrols because my father was a cop before the communist take over. Tell ya what, he could give a shit less about your statistics on gun ownership in America when it was our family being hunted with no way to even fight back or shoot back after the government went door to door to take away their firearms.
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So the political BS is going to continue.

I am not objecting to people owning guns.

Buy a dozen, I don't care, have at it.

But don't tell me that in order to be a good Citizen I must not only buy a gun(s) but get ready to join "the Militia" to fight the government or, possibly, other fucking militias as not all "militias" are going to agree.

What this has to do with heinous Anti-Asian Crimes on city streets by bigots I have no fucking idea.
 
KooLaid said:
Having to kill someone to save your life or someone else's is not an average situation. Even the most well trained will have a hard time when confronted with it. Sometimes you don't know until it happens. Until then, better safe then sorry. That's why I carry a fire extinguisher in my pick up truck, first aide kit, tow strap, tie downs, masks, gloves, water, blanket, jumper cables.
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I'm similar in that I've carried much more than I needed, I never wanted to be in a situation where something easily carried could have saved live(s) and I didn't have it.

However, while some of us could carry guns and not put others at risk, there are plenty of people who have no business carrying, especially when drinking or if they get off on scaring others with their gun(s).
 
Cops are shooting and killing people armed only with broomsticks. Imagine the outcome of every insecure and unstable joe blow walking around packing.
 
jdhu said:
Does this go here? No idea, but interesting...

https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/sch...-resign-over-anti-asian-slurs-in-2016-tweets/

And her response...

https://alimcollins.medium.com/with...crimes-committed-in-georgia-this-2e5e6d22dac1
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https://nypost.com/2021/03/22/sf-sc...ins-refuses-to-quit-over-racist-asian-tweets/

I don't think her post is racist, just ill advised. IMO she has valid points, but as a school official she shouldn't have posted that. I don't see how those tweets build communication and cooperation with the Asian community in that area. Seems like she was very frustrated. Fine be frustrated, just don't make a public statement like that.
edit: an apology with "out of context" 3x is not an apology, wtf.
 

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GAJ said:
No fucking kidding.

How this political bullshit about militias is allowed to continue in the KS is beyond me.

Evidently I'm "anti vote" now.

Take the political bullshit to the Political Area.
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There is nothing political about that. All Americans are, "The Militia," as soon as they are willing to fight to protect their community from all enemies, foreign and domestic. This was established, again, in D.C. vs. Heller. It is law, there isn't much political about it at this point. Perhaps you are confusing The Militia with the crazy prepper groups that call themselves "Militias" and that is your malfunction?

I am sorry it is hard for you to accept that the world is not what you thought it was, but our role as citizens of this society was written more than 200 hundred years ago and the clarification for those who needed it was decided upon by the SCOTUS 13 years ago. It isn't news, it isn't new, so I do not know how I can further help you with adjusting to that.

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Cops are shooting and killing people armed only with broomsticks. Imagine the outcome of every insecure and unstable joe blow walking around packing.
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That sounds like a bad scene. You know that the arms are kept in the armory on active domestic military bases, right? Even active duty military don't just walk around waving firearms at one another. No one has recommended that. :dunno

I am glad that some members of the Asian community are seeking sound methods of improving their self defense options, I support them organizing their efforts in our communities, and I am very glad that Aaron Yee had all charges dropped.
 
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jdhu said:
Does this go here? No idea, but interesting...

https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/sch...-resign-over-anti-asian-slurs-in-2016-tweets/

And her response...

https://alimcollins.medium.com/with...crimes-committed-in-georgia-this-2e5e6d22dac1
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Cancel culture is alive and well.

gnahc79 said:
https://nypost.com/2021/03/22/sf-sc...ins-refuses-to-quit-over-racist-asian-tweets/

I don't think her post is racist, just ill advised. IMO she has valid points, but as a school official she shouldn't have posted that. I don't see how those tweets build communication and cooperation with the Asian community in that area. Seems like she was very frustrated. Fine be frustrated, just don't make a public statement like that.
edit: an apology with "out of context" 3x is not an apology, wtf.
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She posted the stuff in 2016 and was elected in 2018. So, while ill advised, she wasn't a school board member at the time she made the posts.
 
Woke people are eating each other now. This is just the beginning of the mass weaponization of grievances and identity politics.
 
mercurial said:
Woke people are eating each other now. This is just the beginning of the mass weaponization of grievances and identity politics.
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to be fair, people have weaponized and codified into law, idpol for a looooooong ass time. It's just arguably much easier and more effective to do it now with the help of new media.
 
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Karbon said:
to be fair, people have weaponized and codified into law, idpol for a looooooong ass time. It's just arguably much easier and more effective to do it now with the help of new media.
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The "Law and Order Hardworking Apple Pie Patriots" have been doing it for years.

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mercurial said:
Woke people are eating each other now. This is just the beginning of the mass weaponization of grievances and identity politics.
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This is as per design. Look back at all the wikileaks stuff. The Russians trying to cause disruption to us identified BLM, Race politics and IdPol in general as one of the single greatest weapons to use against us. The Chinese digital warfare against the U.S. grows more sophisticated on a quarterly basis.

So now the Chinese Navy is the largest in the world, Hong Kong is battered and on the verge of being captured by the mainland as they plea to the West for aid, land is being grabbed while military bases are built on seized territory in the South China Sea, and suddenly for the 1st serious conversation in American history, the U.S. is racist against Asians?

Seems awfully bloody convenient to me.

This is no way a denial of the problems facing the Asian community in the United States, but as we continue to choose how to react, we must continue to ask who that reaction best serves.
 
^^^ You might just be onto something. The US is stronger united and there sure seems to be forces at work to keep us preoccupied about being pitted against each other. This Asian hate crime stuff seems to be the latest. Color me suspicious. Also not trying to minimize Asian victims of crime. It is terrible, whether or not we can call any one incident a hate crime.

When the internet first gained widespread popular usage, at least among first world countries, in the late 90s, I thought it was going to be the greatest things to bring the world closer. For the first time ever, really, individuals from around the world could communicate with each other. It has become apparent that this great power can be used to divide people just as easy, probably easier, than it can be used to unite people.
 
Eldritch said:
This is as per design. Look back at all the wikileaks stuff. The Russians trying to cause disruption to us identified BLM, Race politics and IdPol in general as one of the single greatest weapons to use against us. The Chinese digital warfare against the U.S. grows more sophisticated on a quarterly basis.

So now the Chinese Navy is the largest in the world, Hong Kong is battered and on the verge of being captured by the mainland as they plea to the West for aid, land is being grabbed while military bases are built on seized territory in the South China Sea, and suddenly for the 1st serious conversation in American history, the U.S. is racist against Asians?

Seems awfully bloody convenient to me.

This is no way a denial of the problems facing the Asian community in the United States, but as we continue to choose how to react, we must continue to ask who that reaction best serves.
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*Ahem*

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/orde...nt-ahead-of-the-us-navy-even-with-more-ships/
 
bojangle said:
^^^ You might just be onto something. The US is stronger united and there sure seems to be forces at work to keep us preoccupied about being pitted against each other.
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I'm flirting with making this post political but will try to make the point at least without naming names.

A tried and true tactic for rallying a mobilizing majority is to find (or manufacture) a common enemy. This seems to me more the outcome of a domestic effort to marginalize a comparatively small US demographic to sway public sentiment in a direction favorable to the one doing the marginalizing.
 
Wow, conspiracy theories now.. Achievement unlocked. No more for me in this thread.
 
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