Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

[NSR500]

https://www.csusb.edu/sites/default/files/FACT SHEET- Anti-Asian Hate 2020 3.2.21.pdf

Just skimmed the study where the 150% increase was derived from. It’s a 150% increase in mostly metropolitans between 2019 and 2020.
The study also has an FBI chart from 1996 though 2019 and when you look at it over the timespan it’s not shocking.
Leads me to believe that it’s sensationalist media clickbait. They’re doing their best to manufacture a crisis and divide people.

 

[Eldritch]

There's a bunch of goat farmers in Afghanistan who would argue with this. 20 years of the greatest military in the world putting their finest resources to bear and we're pretty much right back where we started, minus 2300 of our young men and women and countless billions of dollars wasted.

Now, a lot of those young folk put their lives on the line in places like Afghanistan and Iraq and gained valuable experience are now part of the populace who thinks WE can outgun the authorities.

You are forgetting 10 Years from 79-89.

 

[bojangle]

https://www.csusb.edu/sites/default/files/FACT SHEET- Anti-Asian Hate 2020 3.2.21.pdf

Just skimmed the study where the 150% increase was derived from. It’s a 150% increase in mostly metropolitans between 2019 and 2020.
The study also has an FBI chart from 1996 though 2019 and when you look at it over the timespan it’s not shocking.
Leads me to believe that it’s sensationalist media clickbait. They’re doing their best to manufacture a crisis and divide people.

That's pretty much what I think. But also, we are talking reported cases. The media publicity alone will have a report generating momentum. Victims of a robbery who happened to be Asian might now be think they were victims because of hate for their race, and a lot of that might be due to this coverage where people believe there is some huge increase in hate crimes happening.


Here's an LA Times article. https://www.latimes.com/california/...icans-on-rise-in-l-a-mirroring-national-trend

Hate crimes against Asian Americans and other members of the Asian and Pacific Islander communities in Los Angeles rose sharply in 2020, mirroring a national trend and causing concern among police and local advocacy organizations.

According to a report presented to the Los Angeles Police Commission on Tuesday, there were 15 anti-Asian hate crimes reported in the city in 2020, compared with seven in 2019, marking a 114% increase.

This is in a city of over 12 million. Fifteen! OK, it is more than double the year before. But again, this is reported incidents that people believed to be hate motivated. There could certainly be other factors at play causing a few more people than normal to 1) report the crime, and 2) report that it was a hate crime. With such small numbers, that doesn't necessarily indicate an increase in actual hate crimes.

 

[GAJ]

There's a bunch of goat farmers in Afghanistan who would argue with this. 20 years of the greatest military in the world putting their finest resources to bear and we're pretty much right back where we started, minus 2300 of our young men and women and countless billions of dollars wasted.

Now, a lot of those young folk put their lives on the line in places like Afghanistan and Iraq and gained valuable experience are now part of the populace who thinks WE can outgun the authorities.

Afghans have been fighting outside invaders for millennia and bear no more similarity to the wannabe US militia types than sharks do to minnows.

The whole idea that we need guns in the US in the modern day to do anything other than hunt, target shoot, or have at home in case of protection from a criminal or wild animal in the rural areas is preposterous, even more so in the context of this thread.

 

[Eldritch]

Afghans have been fighting outside invaders for millennia and bear no more similarity to the wannabe US militia types than sharks do to minnows.

The whole idea that we need guns in the US in the modern day to do anything other than hunt, target shoot, or have at home in case of protection from a criminal or wild animal in the rural areas is preposterous, even more so in the context of this thread.

You are wrong, the law says you are wrong, all military and police training says you are wrong, the super obvious statistics say you are wrong, you clearly live a wildly comfortable and privileged life, so by all means, enjoy how wrong you are and have a pleasant time with how obviously wrong everything you think about this is.

 

[GAJ]

You are wrong, the law says you are wrong, all military and police training says you are wrong, the super obvious statistics say you are wrong, you clearly live a wildly comfortable and privileged life, so by all means, enjoy how wrong you are and have a pleasant time with how obviously wrong everything you think about this is.

I am not paranoid as you seem to be.

I have faith in the Police in the US not following some crazed orders from above to turn on citizens en masse let alone with cooperation of the armed forces.

Places where that has happened the Police and Military are part and parcel of the elite suppressing the masses.

Bojangles and his fellow officers do not frighten me, they are "us" as are those in the armed forces.

Folks thinking we live in some kind of parallel universe where we will all rise up in unison as Citizens to defeat a combined oppressive Military/Police apparatchik in the modern US are the scary ones in my view.

Lord knows what this has to do with scumbags attacking Asians for no reason whatsoever in parts of the US.

 

[tzrider]

You are wrong, the law says you are wrong, all military and police training says you are wrong, the super obvious statistics say you are wrong, you clearly live a wildly comfortable and privileged life, so by all means, enjoy how wrong you are and have a pleasant time with how obviously wrong everything you think about this is.

The moment you say people are obligated to own guns, you're stepping on their freedom. In no way is a right an obligation and you're in no position to opine on what other people should do.

 

[gnahc79]

Does there have to be a crisis or real increase of hate crimes in order for everyone to acknowledge the validity of Asians speaking out? The anti-Asian incidents related to COVID is new, does there have to be a certain percentage of occurrences for it to really matter?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mike-nguyen-texas-mask-mandate-racism/

On Sunday morning, Mike Nguyen got a text alerting him that his Texas restaurant was spray-painted in red with racist messages. When he arrived at Noodle Tree in San Antonio, he told CBS News, he felt "hurt."

"When you see pictures is one thing, but when I actually walked to the restaurant, physically saw with my own eyes, I was enraged," Nguyen said Monday. "I was upset."
Some of the graffiti on the patio or outside the venue's windows said: "Go back 2 China," "Ramen Noodle Flu," "No masks," "Kung Flu" and "Hope U Die." The vandalism came days after Nguyen gave an interview on CNN last week where he criticized Texas Governor Gregg Abbott's decision to lift the state's mask mandate.

 

[Johndicezx9]

The moment you say people are obligated to own guns, you're stepping on their freedom. In no way is a right an obligation and you're in no position to opine on what other people should do.

Not sure he'll get it, though. His world seems "absolute".

 

[Eldritch]

The moment you say people are obligated to own guns, you're stepping on their freedom. In no way is a right an obligation and you're in no position to opine on what other people should do.

No one ever said that. I and others with the same position have stated exactly the opposite multiple times. What nonsense are you talking about?

I am not paranoid as you seem to be.

I have faith in the Police in the US not following some crazed orders from above to turn on citizens en masse let alone with cooperation of the armed forces.

Places where that has happened the Police and Military are part and parcel of the elite suppressing the masses.

Bojangles and his fellow officers do not frighten me, they are "us" as are those in the armed forces.

Folks thinking we live in some kind of parallel universe where we will all rise up in unison as Citizens to defeat a combined oppressive Military/Police apparatchik in the modern US are the scary ones in my view.

Lord knows what this has to do with scumbags attacking Asians for no reason whatsoever in parts of the US.

What on earth makes you paranoid about having a hammer in some wrenches in the garage if you don't have to work on a project right now? It is just good to have tools to be prepared for any jobs that might come up. WTF are you talking about?

The subject came up when we were discussing the personal experience I and some others have had with Asian associates of ours that had recently been interested in looking into firearms for security reasons and you decided to get all huffy about it.

 

[scootergmc]

Does there have to be a crisis or real increase of hate crimes in order for everyone to acknowledge the validity of Asians speaking out? The anti-Asian incidents related to COVID is new, does there have to be a certain percentage of occurrences for it to really matter?

If people want to speak out, sure, go ahead. But the media citing a crappy report like there's a national epidemic crime wave and Asian blood in the streets is just disingenuous.

 

[nakedape]

If people want to speak out, sure, go ahead. But the media citing a crappy report like there's a national epidemic crime wave and Asian blood in the streets is just disingenuous.

There is literally blood in the street as reported widely and specifically in SfGate with that incident of the 75 yr old woman vs 40 yr old attacker. WTF are you talking about?

A previous post detailed anti-Asian hate crimes (defacing property because proprietors were Asian) so WFT are you talking about?

One is too many, but the few Asian students and colleagues I know are hurting because of the nativism the troglodytes are pushing.

Just because you and the majority af Barfers sit comfortably outside the zone of discrimination doesn't mean a wave of hate isn't washing over Asian-Americans right now. Not sure what "crappy report" you are talking about but for those of us that live in the real world this shit is happening. Have some fucking respect.

 

[Blankpage]

Does there have to be a crisis or real increase of hate crimes in order for everyone to acknowledge the validity of Asians speaking out? The anti-Asian incidents related to COVID is new, does there have to be a certain percentage of occurrences for it to really matter?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mike-nguyen-texas-mask-mandate-racism/

Yeah great idea to arm this sort of lowlife

 

[DataDan]

wtf is up with that bad day statement from Officer Baker.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/17/jay-baker-bad-day/

Welp, count me in among those sending an email for his resignation.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Captain-who-said-spa-shootings-suspect-had-bad-16036941.php

Success! The captain is now off the case from Georgia.

The statement made by Captain Baker was in response to a reporter's question about whether the killer understood the gravity of his action:

I spoke with investigators who interviewed him this morning, and they got the impression that, yes, he understood the gravity of it, and he was pretty much fed up and kind of at the end of his rope, and yesterday was a really bad day for him, and this is what he did.​

The Washington Post story is, predictably, anti-cop. And because reporters are lazy, dumb sheep, little interested in sorting through actual facts and unable to reason to a conclusion from them, the rest of the media parroted the Post moron's angle.

Watch for yourself (should be cued to the right spot, around 15:00):

[YOUTUBE]tHVIlPKpHQU[/YOUTUBE]

 

[gnahc79]

fed up, end of his rope, bad day.

There's no facts there IMO. Baker could have just stopped at "yes, he understood the gravity of it"

 

[scootergmc]

There is literally blood in the street as reported widely and specifically in SfGate with that incident of the 75 yr old woman vs 40 yr old attacker. WTF are you talking about?

A previous post detailed anti-Asian hate crimes (defacing property because proprietors were Asian) so WFT are you talking about?

One is too many, but the few Asian students and colleagues I know are hurting because of the nativism the troglodytes are pushing.

Just because you and the majority af Barfers sit comfortably outside the zone of discrimination doesn't mean a wave of hate isn't washing over Asian-Americans right now. Not sure what "crappy report" you are talking about but for those of us that live in the real world this shit is happening. Have some fucking respect.

Literally WTF I'm talking about is that report I linked so that's WTF I'm talking about. There's your respect.

 

[AbsolutEnduser]

If people want to speak out, sure, go ahead. But the media citing a crappy report like there's a national epidemic crime wave and Asian blood in the streets is just disingenuous.

There is literally blood ...
..Not sure what "crappy report" you are talking about but ..

Literally WTF I'm talking about is that report I linked so that's WTF I'm talking about. There's your respect.

Sadly, you haven't followed the thread, and you're playing victim now.
Yes, as poster 'nakedape' says, there is "literally blood" in the incident he referenced in downtown a few days ago. You can watch the video of an old woman with a blue and red face; the news was posted earlier in the thread.

gnahc79 simply posts another incident in another place and you decide to call it "oh that's not many incidents". There may not be a relation and the reasons may be different but you're certainly not correct..

 

[Johndicezx9]

The statement made by Captain Baker was in response to a reporter's question about whether the killer understood the gravity of his action:

I spoke with investigators who interviewed him this morning, and they got the impression that, yes, he understood the gravity of it, and he was pretty much fed up and kind of at the end of his rope, and yesterday was a really bad day for him, and this is what he did.​

The Washington Post story is, predictably, anti-cop. And because reporters are lazy, dumb sheep, little interested in sorting through actual facts and unable to reason to a conclusion from them, the rest of the media parroted the Post moron's angle.

Watch for yourself (should be cued to the right spot, around 15:00):

[YOUTUBE]tHVIlPKpHQU[/YOUTUBE]

There are still 8 other people that had a much worse day.

Not anti-cop, but certainly anti-stupid, and that was stupid. Baker deserved to be removed from this case. Of course there's also a lesson on social media etiquette in there somewhere....

 

[Climber]

I think what got people's backs up was that he was showing more empathy for the shooter than the victims.

 

[tzrider]

No one ever said that. I and others with the same position have stated exactly the opposite multiple times. What nonsense are you talking about?

Oh, I don't know:

Every American should own firearms and have some basic training in how to use them. Really, this should be part of our Public Education system. It is a civic responsibility as described in the U.S. Constitution.

Oh, the old, "it's a tool" thing again:

What on earth makes you paranoid about having a hammer in some wrenches in the garage if you don't have to work on a project right now? It is just good to have tools to be prepared for any jobs that might come up. WTF are you talking about?

I can't recall ever hearing you say that every American should own a hammer and screwdriver and know how to use them. Something is a little off here.

There is no civic responsibility to own hand tools spelled out in the Constitution and neither is there one to own firearms.