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Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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insyder said:
Please don't tell me you're surprised.

Considering the level of violence that they're all witnessing, the average person wouldn't be prepared to intervene and overcome.
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Even the more-than-average would be reluctant to intervene these days.

I've my fair share of self-defense experience and I carry tools on me but if I witnessed a beatdown like that I might think twice.

Worst case scenario I end up introducing a lethal weapon to the mix and get myself and the victim killed anyway. Or miss a shot in that subway car and put a bullet in a nun in the next car over. Or successfully defending the victim, shooting the attacker and getting the George Zimmerman treatment afterwards. Or insert xxx many ways shit can possibly go bad.

Seen way too many videos of good guys intervening in 3rd party conflicts and domestics and they end up dying for getting involved.

It's been 50 years since Kitty Genovese and things haven't gotten better because the law seems to favor criminals rights these days.

Cops are getting raked over the coals for justified shoots because apparently facts and truth take second place to feelings and they want private citizens to take up that mantle instead? No thanks.

Everybody's gotta take responsibility for their own safety. And yea thinking of my 84-year-old mother it even pains me to say that, because there's no way in hell she can defend herself in some random attack like that, and it would absolutely break me to find out after the fact that people just watched.
 
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^^^ Well stated.
 
ScorpioVI said:
Even the more-than-average would be reluctant to intervene these days.

I've my fair share of self-defense experience and I carry tools on me but if I witnessed a beatdown like that I might think twice.

Worst case scenario I end up introducing a lethal weapon to the mix and get myself and the victim killed anyway. Or miss a shot in that subway car and put a bullet in a nun in the next car over. Or successfully defending the victim, shooting the attacker and getting the George Zimmerman treatment afterwards. Or insert xxx many ways shit can possibly go bad.

Seen way too many videos of good guys intervening in 3rd party conflicts and domestics and they end up dying for getting involved.

It's been 50 years since Kitty Genovese and things haven't gotten better because the law seems to favor criminals rights these days.

Cops are getting raked over the coals for justified shoots because apparently facts and truth take second place to feelings and they want private citizens to take up that mantle instead? No thanks.

Everybody's gotta take responsibility for their own safety. And yea thinking of my 84-year-old mother it even pains me to say that, because there's no way in hell she can defend herself in some random attack like that, and it would absolutely break me to find out after the fact that people just watched.
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Good points.

I remember when world class bad-ass Alex Gong was killed in San Francisco. Amazing fighter, but all of his skills didn't prepare him for a punk with a gun.
 
ScorpioVI said:
...Worst case scenario I end up introducing a lethal weapon to the mix and get myself and the victim killed anyway. Or miss a shot in that subway car and put a bullet in a nun in the next car over. Or successfully defending the victim, shooting the attacker and getting the George Zimmerman treatment afterwards. Or insert xxx many ways shit can possibly go bad...
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My coworker has a CCW and routinely carries. He's repeatedly stated that he'd rather avoid a conflict due to the legal peril that would follow any such incident.
ScorpioVI said:
...the law seems to favor criminals rights these days
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And this is a big part of that.
 
ScorpioVI said:
Even the more-than-average would be reluctant to intervene these days.

I've my fair share of self-defense experience and I carry tools on me but if I witnessed a beatdown like that I might think twice.

Worst case scenario I end up introducing a lethal weapon to the mix and get myself and the victim killed anyway. Or miss a shot in that subway car and put a bullet in a nun in the next car over. Or successfully defending the victim, shooting the attacker and getting the George Zimmerman treatment afterwards. Or insert xxx many ways shit can possibly go bad.

Seen way too many videos of good guys intervening in 3rd party conflicts and domestics and they end up dying for getting involved.

It's been 50 years since Kitty Genovese and things haven't gotten better because the law seems to favor criminals rights these days.

Cops are getting raked over the coals for justified shoots because apparently facts and truth take second place to feelings and they want private citizens to take up that mantle instead? No thanks.

Everybody's gotta take responsibility for their own safety. And yea thinking of my 84-year-old mother it even pains me to say that, because there's no way in hell she can defend herself in some random attack like that, and it would absolutely break me to find out after the fact that people just watched.
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eh brah why you no learn to walk with cane

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tuxumino said:
eh brah why you no learn to walk with cane

[youtube]tieZNEP5pyk[/youtube]
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I'm still not clear if the 2nd similarly dressed dude standing next to the Beater was a companion or not. That would of course have to inform your decision making.
 
insyder said:
My coworker has a CCW and routinely carries. He's repeatedly stated that he'd rather avoid a conflict due to the legal peril that would follow any such incident.
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I think that this can be one of the ways in which a CCW keeps a responsible person safe. They are somewhat less likely to engage in an altercation when carrying because of how badly it could turn out.
 
tzrider said:
I think that this can be one of the ways in which a CCW keeps a responsible person safe. They are somewhat less likely to engage in an altercation when carrying because of how badly it could turn out.
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Kind of interesting, don't you think?
Especially when you frame it with the usual post-mass shooting gun control rhetoric.
 
tuxumino said:
eh brah why you no learn to walk with cane
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I put 7 pretty serious years in FMA and it took one Shivworks class to teach me that I wasted 7 years of my life. Well maybe that’s too strong a statement. I wish I had spent that time learning more functional fundamentals that actually have real world applications, mainly Greco-Roman wrestling, boxing, and BJJ in no particular order.

Modern FMA has too much fluff, especially “a stick is a stick” systems like Doce Pares.
 
I feel everyone deserves a defense but what is their lawyer gonna say? He was having a bad day? Like when he stabbed his mom to death?
 
They’ll say he was in the process of turning his life around and had dreams of becoming an airline pilot.
 
HappyHighwayman said:
I feel everyone deserves a defense but what is their lawyer gonna say? He was having a bad day? Like when he stabbed his mom to death?
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He was the victim of a terrible childhood, brought on by a discriminatory society.
 
HappyHighwayman said:
Has anyone ever gotten off with this defense? By that rationale nobody is responsible for anything.
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Yes.

Someone even got off with the exact opposite of that defense, stating that their life was so privileged and full of events where they faced no repercussions that they didn't know right from wrong.
 
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