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Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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NSR500 said:
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This is a really elaborate way of saying you don't understand what critical race theory is. This is brainworms territory.

Idk man maybe start watching more debate videos instead of pipelining propaganda instead.
 
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TylerW said:
I think this graphic does a better job of establishing the problem that equality and equity attempt to fix. It's a little wonky because only in the last frame does the tree suddenly bear more fruit on the right side in the last pane, but the captions do a good bit of heavy lifting.

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I like this. It shows that someone will continue trying something that doesn't work until the government comes along and fixes it for them.

(a la Mean Dad's critical method) Why doesn't the idiot on the ride side of the tree just move over to the left side?
 
quicksparks said:
I like this. It shows that someone will continue trying something that doesn't work until the government comes along and fixes it for them.

(a la Mean Dad's critical method) Why doesn't the idiot on the ride side of the tree just move over to the left side?
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Remember what you're asking in the context of this conversation.
 
TylerW said:
Well ok, you tell me then: why would someone be fearful of racial justice?
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Your statement was, "Any time folks are fearful of racial justice, is because they worry about being treated in the same way they've always treated others."

In your statement, did "fearful of racial justice" mean, "not in favor of racial justice?"

I think that's true for some people. I took issue with your implication that it's true for all people. And, you said that the only reason to be "fearful" is because they've misbehaved.

"Racial justice" is vague and political. If it only meant what it seems like it should mean on the face of it, it would mean "equal treatment under the law regardless of race." Well, we already have that. Some people are above the law but the lines aren't drawn along racial boundaries. So if someone believes we already have "racial justice" as defined above and he hears/sees people operating from the position that we have a huge deficit of it, he could be "fearful" that he's dealing with irrational people who have ulterior motives, or who are being used by powerful people with ulterior motives.

Based on the context of this thread though, "racial justice" covers so much more ground than that. It gets into economics and distribution of resources. Government programs really. Not to mention education and the freedom of speech. I don't think opposing more government programs or having concerns about maintaining a free society makes someone a bigot as you implied.
 
TylerW said:
Remember what you're asking in the context of this conversation.
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So, if the tree is the economy, the cartoon is making the point that no matter where a person lives in the country, they should have the same job options as everyone else? I'm not trying to be a smartass in this instance, I'm genuinely curious what the end goal is here. Because if I live in Kansas and I want to be a king crab fisherman, I better move to Alaska.

Somehow I think that's not the point the cartoon is trying to make. I know it's probably saying everyone is entitled to a high paying job, and the government has the tools to make it happen. If that's the case then yes, I'm extremely fearful of "racial justice."
 
quicksparks said:
"Racial justice" is vague and political. If it only meant what it seems like it should mean on the face of it, it would mean "equal treatment under the law regardless of race." Well, we already have that. Some people are above the law but the lines aren't drawn along racial boundaries. So if someone believes we already have "racial justice" as defined above and he hears/sees people operating from the position that we have a huge deficit of it, he could be "fearful" that he's dealing with irrational people who have ulterior motives, or who are being used by powerful people with ulterior motives.
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No we don't. But keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
 
quicksparks said:
I like this. It shows that someone will continue trying something that doesn't work until the government comes along and fixes it for them.

(a la Mean Dad's critical method) Why doesn't the idiot on the ride side of the tree just move over to the left side?
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This is a terrible take. And you don't seem to understand the metaphor.

The Government is the people in the case in the US.

What's required for change is an awareness and analysis of why certain systems don't work or favor one group over another.

You do realize slavery was once legal/codified until the People changed it? It wasn't some nebulous entity you refer to as "the government" changed it. It was "normal" that certain people couldn't vote. And at one point separate but equal policies in the US was acceptable.

It's was never the case that everyone should have a high paying job. By definition that would be impossible. What's desirable is an equal opportunity to succeeded.
 
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quicksparks said:
So, if the tree is the economy, the cartoon is making the point that no matter where a person lives in the country, they should have the same job options as everyone else? I'm not trying to be a smartass in this instance, I'm genuinely curious what the end goal is here. Because if I live in Kansas and I want to be a king crab fisherman, I better move to Alaska.

Somehow I think that's not the point the cartoon is trying to make. I know it's probably saying everyone is entitled to a high paying job, and the government has the tools to make it happen. If that's the case then yes, I'm extremely fearful of "racial justice."
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In the context of this conversation, you're asking why racial minorities, who are underserved by the systems of our society, don't just stop being racial minorities.

I see a lot of people becoming gravely concerned about whites becoming the racial minority in this country - almost as if being a racial minority meant that you were disadvantaged, disenfranchised, or had fewer opportunities to succeed.

(Spoilers, that's what it means)
 
tzrider said:
Honestly, I think this is the crux of it. One reason to fear "racial justice" is the fear of the unknown; I have no idea what you (royal you) have in mind.
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I mean it's great that we have critical race theory as a study to help define what that means. Maybe it's a moving target and that's ok, and that reasonable people are willing to navigate what constitutes as fair.
 
tzrider said:
Honestly, I think this is the crux of it. One reason to fear "racial justice" is the fear of the unknown; I have no idea what you (royal you) have in mind.
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If you're confused about what racial justice involves, then get involved with it.
 
Karbon said:
It's was never the case that everyone should have a high paying job. By definition that would be impossible. What's desirable is an equal opportunity to succeeded.
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There are institutions in this country that enable all persons to succeed it is called public schooling. All persons have access to it but it is not an opportunity that is given to you easily it requires dedication and the drive to succeed. It is not the easy way which is what a lot of people seem to want to happen.

My dad was white but was very poor. like had to hunt for food poor or they went hungry. Work in the fields for a pennies a day poor. He went to public school here in Louisiana, when he was 18 he joined the Navy then used the GI bill to go to college for years at night when I was a kid. He wouldn't get home until 8pm then I remember him studying and doing work until late. I hardly saw him during the week but weekends were ours and we made the most of it. It took him a long time but eventually, he made it. He instilled in me that same ethic and I am trying to instill it in my kids.

I have followed this thread for a long time and have held off responding because I may not make myself clear. But I believe the opportunities are there for everyone but you have to reach out and grab it because it will not be handed to you.
 
TylerW said:
If you're confused about what racial justice involves, then get involved with it.
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But that is the shit I keep going on about with perspective. Most of us are. What they fear is other people's model.

If we all as Americans spent more time listening to what other people's model is and less time thrusting accusations and trying to force ours on others, we would all be living in a much finer example of this shit show called humanity.

:dunno
 
tzrider said:
Feel free to spend your time how you see fit. I'll do the same.
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Please forgive me if I'm misunderstanding you. It sounds like you feel like your personal investment in the definitions of racial justice is not a good use of your time, yet you are fearful of the outcomes of it.
 
Eldritch said:
But that is the shit I keep going on about with perspective. Most of us are. What they fear is other people's model.

If we all as Americans spent more time listening to what other people's model is and less time thrusting accusations and trying to force ours on others, we would all be living in a much finer example of this shit show called humanity.

:dunno
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I'm all about hearing about what people's idea of racial justice is for this country - because if they have a an ideal, a model, a plan for it, it means they've spent some time considering the idea that racial injustice is something that still persists in this country.

I have some ideas, but my immediate assumption is that, from my relative ignorance, most of my ideas would be bad and would underserve the folks who need it most. As far as actual plans, I'm in full sit-down-and-listen mode.
 
TylerW said:
Please forgive me if I'm misunderstanding you. It sounds like you feel like your personal investment in the definitions of racial justice is not a good use of your time, yet you are fearful of the outcomes of it.
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Yes, you're misunderstanding. I have no fears around racial justice.
 
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