• There has been a recent cluster of spammers accessing BARFer accounts and posting spam. To safeguard your account, please consider changing your password. It would be even better to take the additional step of enabling 2 Factor Authentication (2FA) on your BARF account. Read more here.

Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

Status
Not open for further replies.
Sharxfan said:
There are institutions in this country that enable all persons to succeed it is called public schooling. All persons have access to it but it is not an opportunity that is given to you easily it requires dedication and the drive to succeed. It is not the easy way which is what a lot of people seem to want to happen.

My dad was white but was very poor. like had to hunt for food poor or they went hungry. Work in the fields for a pennies a day poor. He went to public school here in Louisiana, when he was 18 he joined the Navy then used the GI bill to go to college for years at night when I was a kid. He wouldn't get home until 8pm then I remember him studying and doing work until late. I hardly saw him during the week but weekends were ours and we made the most of it. It took him a long time but eventually, he made it. He instilled in me that same ethic and I am trying to instill it in my kids.

I have followed this thread for a long time and have held off responding because I may not make myself clear. But I believe the opportunities are there for everyone but you have to reach out and grab it because it will not be handed to you.
Click to expand...



Exceptional people can do exceptional things. That's not what is in contention. At one point you have to look at systemic issues and question why the statistics are what they are. Why did your father and so many others have to be super exceptional to just even survive, let alone build a future. What would have been the outcome if your father were black or any other minority? The goal is to have a system so YOUR children and your children's don't have to got through what you father did.

Yeah...There are issues with public schools, let alone the funding they get based on geography and economic mobility of a a particular area. Things are "equal" by law yes but, it doesn't mean it's a level playing field. Remember brown vs board of education? Separate-but-qual by law but, horrifically unequal in practice. Equal housing laws made it so financial institutions couldn't discriminate based on race but in practice redlining was the norm.

One of many articles."School Districts Serving Students Of Color Have Less Money : NPR" https://www.npr.org/2019/02/26/696794821/why-white-school-districts-have-so-much-more-money

Also, I don't want people to have to choose the possibility of death or dismemberment though military service to have an opportunity or to even begin to start a life. That's not freedom in the grand sense, that's coercion through lack of choice. I want people have freedom, equality is a means to through that door.
 
Last edited:
TylerW said:
Ok. I guess I read your intentions wrong in the above post.
Click to expand...

I shouldn't have used the word "I" to convey what I meant. The point of my post was to call out a reason beyond the one you could think of why someone might fear racial justice.

And despite what you seem to be saying here, there isn't just one definition of the term. Because of that, you can't really be sure of what the seeker of racial justice wants.
 
tzrider said:
I shouldn't have used the word "I" to convey what I meant. The point of my post was to call out a reason beyond the one you could think of why someone might fear racial justice.

And despite what you seem to be saying here, there isn't just one definition of the term. Because of that, you can't really be sure of what the seeker of racial justice wants.
Click to expand...

Please look to my response to Eldritch's last post before you presume to know what I think racial justice should look like.
 
TylerW said:
In the context of this conversation, you're asking why racial minorities, who are underserved by the systems of our society, don't just stop being racial minorities.

I see a lot of people becoming gravely concerned about whites becoming the racial minority in this country - almost as if being a racial minority meant that you were disadvantaged, disenfranchised, or had fewer opportunities to succeed.

(Spoilers, that's what it means)
Click to expand...

No, I don't think that's what it means in America today. People who come from nuclear families with culture that values education tend to do well. It also helps if they already have a little money. That's just a rough example, don't get too hung up on that definition. The point is there are factors that predict success a lot better than race. To the extent there is a correlation with race, well, it would be great if we could discuss possible reasons why other than the good old standby boogeyman, white supremacy, but we're called racist as soon as we do that. And, I'm told that because I'm white, I can't possibly understand, anyway. I have to just take their word for it.
 
Karbon said:
This is a terrible take. And you don't seem to understand the metaphor.

The Government is the people in the case in the US.

What's required for change is an awareness and analysis of why certain systems don't work or favor one group over another.

You do realize slavery was once legal/codified until the People changed it? It wasn't some nebulous entity you refer to as "the government" changed it. It was "normal" that certain people couldn't vote. And at one point separate but equal policies in the US was acceptable.

It's was never the case that everyone should have a high paying job. By definition that would be impossible. What's desirable is an equal opportunity to succeeded.
Click to expand...

There has certainly been a lot of positive change in the past. There's a lot of commotion today about making more changes, for what? Just because somebody wants something changed or they make it happen doesn't make it a good change in the right direction.

You mentioned slavery and segregation. What is legal in America today that's even comparable to slavery? The only people segregating these days are the woke folk.

And I know you're talking about blacks and women not being able to vote, but today, certain people are still not allowed to vote, like minors, felons, and non-citizens. That should stay normal forever IMO. The woke folk disagree, I know, I know.
 
quicksparks said:
What is legal in America today that's even comparable to slavery?
Click to expand...

Sanctuary Cities and Sanctuary States for Illegal Immigrants.

It creates a condition where people are exploited, abused, and artificially lowers the wages for all in society while also increasing crime.
 
NSR500 said:
Sanctuary Cities and Sanctuary States for Illegal Immigrants.

It creates a condition where people are exploited, abused, and artificially lowers the wages for all in society while also increasing crime.
Click to expand...

These are not slavery.
 
YogaJeni said:
Interesting to see people openly promoting equity over equality and "critical race theory" in a discussion about discriminations on the Asian community in US, when those are the main things curently used to discriminately against them.
Here is the oldest Chinese-American organization in US open letter against CRT: https://www.rt.com/usa/516508-chinese-letter-critical-race/
Click to expand...

Yup, I mentioned it earlier that CRT is the modern equivalent of the "Chinese Exclusion Act".
 
More on CRT from the Asian immigrant pov:

https://www.unionleader.com/opinion...cle_88cc1f5c-a3ae-5c63-b16d-059e34f67d83.html
I genuinely believed that the spirit of American individualism would resist the Siren’s song of Marxism that I left behind. I was naïve. It once again returns under a different name — as it always does — and now threatens to poison America, my refuge. This time, however, I have nowhere to run. I plead with you, learn from this immigrant’s story and the lessons of history — fight back.
Click to expand...

Lily Tang Williams is co-chair of New Hampshire Asian American Coalition. She lives in Weare.
 
Last edited:
JesasaurusRex said:
why not just buy a ticket to the baseball game?

whooosh
Click to expand...

That is very elitist of you. Not everyone has access to expensive baseball game tickets to watch millionaires play a child's game.

Sharxfan said:
There are institutions in this country that enable all persons to succeed it is called public schooling. All persons have access to it but it is not an opportunity that is given to you easily it requires dedication and the drive to succeed. It is not the easy way which is what a lot of people seem to want to happen.

My dad was white but was very poor. like had to hunt for food poor or they went hungry. Work in the fields for a pennies a day poor. He went to public school here in Louisiana, when he was 18 he joined the Navy then used the GI bill to go to college for years at night when I was a kid. He wouldn't get home until 8pm then I remember him studying and doing work until late. I hardly saw him during the week but weekends were ours and we made the most of it. It took him a long time but eventually, he made it. He instilled in me that same ethic and I am trying to instill it in my kids.

I have followed this thread for a long time and have held off responding because I may not make myself clear. But I believe the opportunities are there for everyone but you have to reach out and grab it because it will not be handed to you.
Click to expand...

Good post! :thumbup

quicksparks said:
No, I don't think that's what it means in America today. People who come from nuclear families with culture that values education tend to do well. It also helps if they already have a little money. That's just a rough example, don't get too hung up on that definition. The point is there are factors that predict success a lot better than race. To the extent there is a correlation with race, well, it would be great if we could discuss possible reasons why other than the good old standby boogeyman, white supremacy, but we're called racist as soon as we do that. And, I'm told that because I'm white, I can't possibly understand, anyway. I have to just take their word for it.
Click to expand...

Yup.
 
TylerW said:
Oh? What did you learn about me?
Click to expand...

Tyler, I’m not that interested in you. This conversation has been about what people might be afraid of with regard to “racial justice.” You outright said there was only one thing people who were afraid of that would be worried about. It was a blanket statement that, like so many, is bullshit. That’s been my point.

Learn about you? Couldn’t care less.
 
tzrider said:
Tyler, I’m not that interested in you. This conversation has been about what people might be afraid of with regard to “racial justice.” You outright said there was only one thing people who were afraid of that would be worried about. It was a blanket statement that, like so many, is bullshit. That’s been my point.

Learn about you? Couldn’t care less.
Click to expand...

If you're not interested in my opinions then don't call me out on them.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top