Best Shotgun for Home Defense?

[RRR70]

I asked straight forward questions there...yes or no. You're not interested in answering them, so the facts are that you're throwing in with the T-1. Cheers, mate!

You're a funny guy.

 

[Traq]

You're a funny guy.

I asked straight forward questions there...yes or no. You're not interested in answering them, so the facts are that you're throwing in with the T-1. Cheers, mate!

Do you have anything else of substance to add, or are you just try to win the internets? Here, I'll bold it and underline it.

 

[Marlowe]

No you really don't. This has actually been proven not to be true IF you run a laser sight. One of the major thing's I've debated with a couple of people on is Compressed Ready stances, and Laser Sights. IF you can brace well, you can accurately place a shot. Granted follow up shots SHOULD be at full extension for maximum accuracy. But a compressed ready shot can be made with use of a proper helping tool.

I wouldn't want a novice trying to point shoot in the dark at close range in a high stress situation.

Just seems like too much can go wrong there.

 

[Aluisious]

I myself am more comfortable with an AR. But I know the ballistics of it could mean life and death to a neighbor. So I DO have frangible rounds for the pistol and that IS my HD choice. However, I shoot better with the AR. But I practice more with the pistol now.

Again, I might sound like a nutcase. But at least I'm prepared in the event I DO need to do something.

All you guys using crappy ammo that won't do the job just need to switch to a Taser. Worried about ballistics? Practice and practice until you won't miss.

I really have no idea how you could miss inside a house with a rifle.

 

[Diezel]

All you guys using crappy ammo that won't do the job just need to switch to a Taser. Worried about ballistics? Practice and practice until you won't miss.

I really have no idea how you could miss inside a house with a rifle.

You don't know much about rifle ballistics do you? A 5.56(.223) has a HIGH chance of over penetrating someone within close distances.

Is that a risk YOU wish to encounter with YOUR loved one? Me I'd rather not take that risk.

The simple thing to remember too, with a rifle (if it's legal) is a 30" extension of your body. IF someone grabs that, they now have 30" of leverage over you.

I wouldn't want a novice trying to point shoot in the dark at close range in a high stress situation.

Just seems like too much can go wrong there.

Completely agreed. But I wanted to make the comment for sake of argument. IF you train, you can definitely perform to that level.

 

[RRR70]

Was trying to reply to Traq when my comp crashed. Even it couldn't handle an argument with him.
Fuck it. Not worth wasting my time. Traq, you had me at "I've shot more rounds before I was 12 then you all your life". That's a pretty big ASSUMPTION about someone you've never met.

 

[Traq]

All you guys using crappy ammo that won't do the job just need to switch to a Taser. Worried about ballistics? Practice and practice until you won't miss.

I really have no idea how you could miss inside a house with a rifle.

The same reason deer run directly past a hunter less than 10 feet away and keep on running scratch free. Adrenaline is a helluva a drug.

If you've never been there you wouldn't understand...much like Roman.

That's a pretty big ASSUMPTION about someone you've never met.

Yep, on both ends. So who's assumption is bigger? I'm a redneck. You're just some russian. I'd bet on me every time.

 

[Ratters]

I asked straight forward questions there...yes or no. You're not interested in answering them, so the facts are that you're throwing in with the T-1. Cheers, mate!

Do you have anything else of substance to add, or are you just try to win the internets? Here, I'll bold it and underline it.

Why are you so obsessed with T1?

Shotguns using buckshot put a whole lot more hurt on someone than a 9mm, or any handgun round for that matter. Bullets stop by shocking the body, some 00 buck gives a whole lot of shock. I personally use a handgun, as I previously stated, but the shotguns do have advantages of their own. Pick which one you want, learn how to use it, and go on with life. Or don't. Great to be free to choose, ain't it?

 

[RRR70]

If you've never been there you wouldn't understand...much like Roman.

keep stroking yourself, sniper, you'll feel satisfied

 

[RRR70]

Why are you so obsessed with T1?

Shotguns using buckshot put a whole lot more hurt on someone than a 9mm, or any handgun round for that matter. Bullets stop by shocking the body, some 00 buck gives a whole lot of shock. I personally use a handgun, as I previously stated, but the shotguns do have advantages of their own. Pick which one you want, learn how to use it, and go on with life. Or don't. Great to be free to choose, ain't it?

You have no fucking clue what are you talking about.

 

[Traq]

keep stroking yourself, sniper, you'll feel satisfied

Who said anything about sniping? You keep assuming all sorts of things. It's bad for your argument. I understand you own a gun shop and can't back down for business' sake, but can you at least stay slightly on track? You assume! I respect you for running gun shops in this society's environment. Do you need to win the BARF? I'll let you do it if you do, cause frankly, I'm bored with it. Kiss kiss.

Why are you so obsessed with T1?

T1 is the epitome of ridiculous bullshit. It's not so much that I am obsessed with him, as it is that equating someone with him is a simple way of stating how retarded they are.

 

[Ratters]

So you're doing the personal attack you were accusing Roman of?

 

[Ratters]

You have no fucking clue what are you talking about.

Well, duh. But I like hearing myself talk.

 

[Traq]

So you're doing the personal attack you were accusing Roman of?

Attacking T1 isn't personal, it's just a matter of fact.

 

[Aluisious]

You don't know much about rifle ballistics do you? A 5.56(.223) has a HIGH chance of over penetrating someone within close distances.

You shouldn't make a lot of noise about knowledge when you have never bothered to check your assumptions. 5.56 tumbles and disintegrates rapidly at close range. It's a very light round moving very fast, that shouldn't be a surprise. It over-penetrates less than many pistol rounds.

 

[Obscura]

Just buy two 1911's and two hand them, if you're feeling really sassy get two P220 Combats, mount one with a laser and the other with a flashlight.

Sixteen to twenty rounds of .45 is more than enough to take down anyone, even if they're a drugged up rapist/barfer.

 

[Aluisious]

Bullets stop by shocking the body, some 00 buck gives a whole lot of shock.

Bullets stop by crushing motor control nerves and poking holes in major blood vessels causing blood pressure to drop below the level necessary to maintain consciousness. Anything else is relying on the target to decide he's had enough and quit.

 

[ohio]

Color me surprised that this thread has turned into a dick-swinging contest.

 

[gixxerjoeca]

You shouldn't make a lot of noise about knowledge when you have never bothered to check your assumptions. 5.56 tumbles and disintegrates rapidly at close range. It's a very light round moving very fast, that shouldn't be a surprise. It over-penetrates less than many pistol rounds.

Depends a lot on what rounds you are shooting, FMJ vs HP etc.

 

[racercosmo]

You shouldn't make a lot of noise about knowledge when you have never bothered to check your assumptions. 5.56 tumbles and disintegrates rapidly at close range. It's a very light round moving very fast, that shouldn't be a surprise. It over-penetrates less than many pistol rounds.

I'm testing this after my neighbor leaves for work. I have milk jugs full of water.
Test subjects will be 45 acp 230 gr Federal HST vs 5.56 55 gr Federal XM193.
Depending on test results, I will try again with 5.56 62 grain m855.