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California has banned generators.
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KooLaid
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Good thing he has it now...
California has Banned Natural Gas in all new homes!
ok, are you for real for real???? lol
I need a peek at his and his wife's stock portfolio
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buellistic
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Yup.
And water softeners.
And incandescent light bulbs.
And gas cars in 10 years and!......the list goes on...
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I don't know anyone still using incandescent bulbs lol
buellistic
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I do..and mostly Halogen! A true light.
No mercury in them or other poisonous gas. And you dont have to
Wait 30 min for them to get Brite.
I tried led. But they last less than a year and mess with my eyes!..
wtf does nobody actually read
what the hell kind of "proof" is a screenshot of a google search that says several cities are not allowing natural gas hookups
new construction SHOULD have electric appliances, heat pumps / mini splits in each area instead of central heat and air to heat/cool the entire damn house when nobody is home, and solar with backup battery storage.
so much FUD and misinformation. jeeze.
what the hell kind of "proof" is a screenshot of a google search that says several cities are not allowing natural gas hookups
new construction SHOULD have electric appliances, heat pumps / mini splits in each area instead of central heat and air to heat/cool the entire damn house when nobody is home, and solar with backup battery storage.
so much FUD and misinformation. jeeze.
Killroy1999
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Haha. So old school on lighting, that the 'new' tech is already obsolete.
oobus
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One more thing gone: food trucks. And no, just plugging into someone else's outlet isn't an answer. I will be surprised if this legislation or part of it is not rescinded in the next few years as you really can't mandate innovation without a ton of grants/loans/free programs. After the 1st, new rate structure will come out regarding solar which makes it less cost effective than it is now...
The bigger issue is the shitty old grid and infrastructure in this state. We are going to demand more and more from the power grid, and it is already at a breaking point. All the solar in the state has already shifted the peak demand time during the summer, which has made farmers irrigate during the hottest part of the day due to demand charges. Yes, peak hours are every day from 5pm to 8pm when solar generation decreases but folks are still using AC, offices, etc. Much cheaper to irrigate in the off hours which is the hottest/worst part of the day.
Let's stick a few nuke plants out by Gerlach or Blyth.
The bigger issue is the shitty old grid and infrastructure in this state. We are going to demand more and more from the power grid, and it is already at a breaking point. All the solar in the state has already shifted the peak demand time during the summer, which has made farmers irrigate during the hottest part of the day due to demand charges. Yes, peak hours are every day from 5pm to 8pm when solar generation decreases but folks are still using AC, offices, etc. Much cheaper to irrigate in the off hours which is the hottest/worst part of the day.
Let's stick a few nuke plants out by Gerlach or Blyth.
The electrical grid throughout the United States is currently crumbling and can't handle the winter or summer loads we currently have. We really needed to invest in electrical grid infrastructure 20 years ago for the current wave of electric vehicles.
I'm old enough to remember the gas crisis in the early seventies when people were only allowed to gas up their cars on even/odd calendar days, based on the last digit of their license plate.
I imagine people with electric vehicles may have to do the same thing and charge their cars on even an odd days based upon their license plate. Hopefully, you don't need to charge that day you not allowed to charge; not sure how it would be enforced.
Time to buy some generators and underground fuel storage tank for the house? Time to get out my tape measure and see if I can find a spot 20' from my house to place the generator; not sure where the fuel tank will reside.
I'm old enough to remember the gas crisis in the early seventies when people were only allowed to gas up their cars on even/odd calendar days, based on the last digit of their license plate.
I imagine people with electric vehicles may have to do the same thing and charge their cars on even an odd days based upon their license plate. Hopefully, you don't need to charge that day you not allowed to charge; not sure how it would be enforced.
Time to buy some generators and underground fuel storage tank for the house? Time to get out my tape measure and see if I can find a spot 20' from my house to place the generator; not sure where the fuel tank will reside.
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Like spending bills that are "fully paid for", green energy bills should also include industry / state targets for increased power distribution and back plans. They shouldn't be cracking down on state residents without either creating or cause to create a backup for energy supply disruptions.
Your whole home gennie is gonna be more in the $4-$5K range. Also, might want to put a factoring either to finance costs or to alternative yield if those are cash numbers.
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our whole home propane generator was $20,000. neighbor who added 5 day battery storage to his existing solar said his cost was less than that (said he evaluated both and went with the battery unit for the lower cost). doesn’t take into account the initial cost of his solar though. like i said, he already had that.
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I'm messed up, I was living within thirty miles of Diablo cyn,
moved to Hope, within 70 miles of Palo Verde, that is 110 miles from Blythe?
That is Ca and Az, Nv got one too? Can't think of it.
Messed up I say,
Also, the outgoing mayor of SLO, was promoting that "no gas installs" too.
That neighbor with solar and batts without the genny, he only needs a small genny to charge the batteries, after cloudy week of weather, not run the whole house.
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We lack a good financial mechanism to incentivize new transmission and distribution infrastructure. If we had a way to incentivize grid redundancy and building out infrastructure to where renewable energy can be easily & efficiently constructed we would have a lot less issues.
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We lack a good financial mechanism to incentivize new transmission and distribution infrastructure. If we had a way to incentivize grid redundancy and building out infrastructure to where renewable energy can be easily & efficiently constructed we would have a lot less issues.
Well, whenever we figure that out, I'd appreciate if we could redo the internet infrastructure at the same time, cause it's highly annoying that bumfuck, Wisconsin has better internet than silicon-goddamn-valley.
Obligatory "fuck comcrap". Gimme gigabit fiber dammit.
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How many KW did you spec? Not sure how big your place is, but a 50-60KW unit is massive....
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We lack a good financial mechanism to incentivize new transmission and distribution infrastructure. If we had a way to incentivize grid redundancy and building out infrastructure to where renewable energy can be easily & efficiently constructed we would have a lot less issues.
Allow commercial owners to use Net Metering across commonly owned properties and I'll find the state that infrastructure $$ in my proposal.
I might agree with your statement if this were a spending bill or an energy bill, but your comment has nothing to do with what I was responding to (small engine ban targets poor people)
Good luck with that. Net Metering is/was a short term incentive to get people to upgrade. They already seem to be phasing it out, which is how incentives should be structured. The future model is that homes are more energy self-sufficient which significantly decreases demands on the power grid
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Well, that will work great! Let's just all move into new homes to fix the grid issue.
mlm, they are mandating laws in this environment "feel good" method that does not address significant larger issues such as having a working power grid.
Folks who are not the 5%ers of the state living out in the sticks like me or on the low side of the income scale will suffer the most. I fly drones for a living, and we must carry a small generator around with us to get any time of duration out in the field. One set of batteries that allow 20 minutes of flight are over $300. That's $4,800 of batteries for one day's work out in the field, where we have no connection to power. The batteries are good for maybe 2 seasons.... We have three teams out in the field sometimes.
mlm, they are mandating laws in this environment "feel good" method that does not address significant larger issues such as having a working power grid.
Folks who are not the 5%ers of the state living out in the sticks like me or on the low side of the income scale will suffer the most. I fly drones for a living, and we must carry a small generator around with us to get any time of duration out in the field. One set of batteries that allow 20 minutes of flight are over $300. That's $4,800 of batteries for one day's work out in the field, where we have no connection to power. The batteries are good for maybe 2 seasons.... We have three teams out in the field sometimes.