California has banned generators.

[KooLaid]

How about one of these Aura Gens? I remember when they first came out over 20 years ago. Aura was in the car audio business and I was running 4- 10" subs behind the back seat of my regular cab ford ranger. Top notch stuff back in the day. Now it looks like they've moved on completely to the mobile car mounted generator business.

https://www.aurasystems.com/auragen.html

 

[mlm]

Yeah, fuck the poor's! Amirite!?

Not everyone can afford the alternatives. Not everyone has an O2 bottle that'll last 30 hours, with 4-5 hours of electricity, followed by another 30 hours. It's happened in the recent past, and it'll happen again in the recent future.

I'm all for innovation. When this law takes effect, the innovation won't be there.

It's poorly written, and will effect the worst off people the quickest and most dramatically.

No, it doesn't target poor people, but it doesn't consider them.

If that's what you got from my post, you should probably put me on ignore because your comprehension is not my comprehension.

If you say so

Or you could just answer my question: How would you suggest making it better?

Always easier to just complain though (which is why I should ignore you)

 

[wazzuFreddo]

Allow commercial owners to use Net Metering across commonly owned properties and I'll find the state that infrastructure $$ in my proposal.

That’s kind of the issue. Net metering across properties relies on the T&D infrastructure without paying for it.

 

[#1Freak]

That’s kind of the issue. Net metering across properties relies on the T&D infrastructure without paying for it.

is the spread between the customers paying retail for electric when needed and the wholesale price they get for generating not enough?

 

[msethhunter]

If you say so

Or you could just answer my question: How would you suggest making it better?

Always easier to just complain though (which is why I should ignore you)

Why, so you can kick some more dirt and keep strutting around the room like a rooster.

You ain't looking for a debate. You ain't looking to understand someone else's POV. You're looking for an argument. I've already said why I think the law is poorly written. Extrapolate from that. It ain't that hard.

 

[mlm]

Why, so you can kick some more dirt and keep strutting around the room like a rooster.

You ain't looking for a debate. You ain't looking to understand someone else's POV. You're looking for an argument. I've already said why I think the law is poorly written. Extrapolate from that. It ain't that hard.

I understand your dissatisfaction, and you are absolutely correct that I would probably kick dirt at it. My point is that trying to address the core issue (significant pollution from the aggregate of thousands of dirty running engines) isn't easy and nobody is going to like the result.

 

[wazzuFreddo]

is the spread between the customers paying retail for electric when needed and the wholesale price they get for generating not enough?

Large industrial users at a single interconnection location subsidize residential and commercial customers which require way more infrastructure. Rural users are the most heavily subsidized.

We don't even come close to paying the total cost of what it takes to deliver electricity to our homes.

 

[mlm]

Why, so you can kick some more dirt and keep strutting around the room like a rooster.

You ain't looking for a debate. You ain't looking to understand someone else's POV. You're looking for an argument. I've already said why I think the law is poorly written. Extrapolate from that. It ain't that hard.

I understand your dissatisfaction, and you are absolutely correct that I would probably kick dirt at it. My point is that trying to address the core issue (significant pollution from the aggregate of thousands of dirty running engines) isn't easy and nobody is going to like the result. You seemed to be writing it off like it wasn't

 

[msethhunter]

I understand your dissatisfaction, and you are absolutely correct that I would probably kick dirt at it. My point is that trying to address the core issue (significant pollution from the aggregate of thousands of dirty running engines) isn't easy and nobody is going to like the result. You seemed to be writing it off like it wasn't

I'm lucky enough that I'm in a position it won't hurt me. I know people that it could/will.

Edited: P-trap.

 

[#1Freak]

Large industrial users at a single interconnection location subsidize residential and commercial customers which require way more infrastructure. Rural users are the most heavily subsidized.

We don't even come close to paying the total cost of what it takes to deliver electricity to our homes.

ahhhhh

 

[msethhunter]

I'm wondering what the ISP's are going to do. Every time the power goes out, there's generators at all the utility boxes running all over town.

 

[Holeshot]

I might agree with your statement if this were a spending bill or an energy bill, but your comment has nothing to do with what I was responding to (small engine ban targets poor people)

It does though; when PG&E cannot produce enough energy to meet demand, power brownouts occur. When they are pushing so much electricity through the current lines that we see a nice orange glow, it's only obvious what's gonna happen when winds pick up.

People need gas generators because CPUC has fumbled the ball over and over and over. IMO, we need modern package nuke plants fast.

Good luck with that. Net Metering is/was a short term incentive to get people to upgrade. They already seem to be phasing it out, which is how incentives should be structured. The future model is that homes are more energy self-sufficient which significantly decreases demands on the power grid

When people move to power walls or eq and PG&E hasn't upped their power production, things are gonna get sparse again. The incentives are baloney too for 2021...sell @ $.07 and buy @ $.25? Even an English major could figure out the ROI on a Power Wall at that point...

Also, homes are NOT more electrically self sufficient with the smallish solar required on them when balanced against an all electric appliance package.

How about one of these Aura Gens? I remember when they first came out over 20 years ago. Aura was in the car audio business and I was running 4- 10" subs behind the back seat of my regular cab ford ranger. Top notch stuff back in the day. Now it looks like they've moved on completely to the mobile car mounted generator business.

https://www.aurasystems.com/auragen.html

Most useful post of the thread for me!

That’s kind of the issue. Net metering across properties relies on the T&D infrastructure without paying for it.

It's a shitty program actually. Excess solar is generated at high demand time: Summer/ daytime; under peak rate times. Under NM, this is paid back to the producer with less costly/ demand energy @ night and weekends/ winter time. PG&E does well with NM, but they're inefficient as a power producer so they need more $$. The new program has PG&E purchase for $.07 and sell back @ normal rates ($.25 or so).

 

[buellistic]

I'm wondering what the ISP's are going to do. Every time the power goes out, there's generators at all the utility boxes running all over town.

If your talking about Internet service providers.
You have no clue! You would be amazed what's going on! And for years past....
They have had that covered for years!..

 

[Kornholio]

I used to work for a company that sold and serviced the generator systems housed in the datacenter backup buildings. Countless 16-20 cylinder diesel generators all housed in separate rooms guarded by a security guard in the employ of the company that's leasing that particular room's genset. It's a massive industry. There's a huge one right across the street from SJC.

 

[Killroy1999]

These days large scale grid batteries are replacing peaker plants and storing energy when it's cheap to charge.

Here one made of old Nissan Leaf batteries.

 

[msethhunter]

If your talking about Internet service providers.
You have no clue! You would be amazed what's going on! And for years past....
They have had that covered for years!..

I guess all the generators plugged in around my city then to the ISP utility boxes are a figment of my imagination.

 

[buellistic]

I guess all the generators plugged in around my city then to the ISP utility boxes are a figment of my imagination.

If there not currently running..there not the immediate back up. For providers..
Maybe secondary..
I cant find a picture of what I have seen in Cupertino. But I believe it's called flywheel energy generator..
A ISP cannot go down for a second without losing $$$$$$$. So they have a generator always running to fill in the
Time it takes to start other generator's..
Somthing like this..

 

[buellistic]

There constantly spinning and can generate power for quite a while when the grid goes down.
NASA has a pretty nice one.

 

[msethhunter]

If there not currently running..there not the immediate back up. For providers..
Maybe secondary..
I cant find a picture of what I have seen in Cupertino. But I believe it's called flywheel energy generator..
A ISP cannot go down for a second without losing $$$$$$$. So they have a generator always running to fill in the
Time it takes to start other generator's..
Somthing like this..

Maybe next time before posting some inflammatory bullshit, then backing it up with some random Google shit post images, and saying "I don't know what it's called, but you have no clue", you should ask some questions.

The generators are chained to the ISP utility boxes. They are small generators (like the ones were talking about here) and they only come out when there are threats of turning off the power from the winds. They also don't set them up unless they run them.
They're in neighborhoods, and side streets. The reason they do it is because land lines have a requirement to still work in a power outage and most land lines now are VOIP, so the end user still has to have power routed so they can use their phone to dial 911. These are the kinds of issues that this poorly written law doesn't address.

It looks more like you don't know what you're talking about. Next time you want to post up some shit like this, hit the scroll wheel.

 

[mbsv]

If they use portable generators, I wonder why telecoms didn't make any public comment on this topic?

(The public comment is all public record. I read most of it. Nothing from utility companies that I saw. Lots from landscape, RV, timber, tool and engine manufacturers, etc.)

It is kind of interesting that Plain Old Telephony Systems were super reliable partly because of their almost independent, and somewhat centralized, power infrastructure. Lots of big batteries in the CO.


Anyway, you still haven't proposed an alternate solution here to the problem that small engines now produce a huge percentage of nasty pollution. Note that there were some proposed in the comments I reference above; feel free to reference.