santa barbara area if i recall correctly.
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CHP arrests fireman in San Diego
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santa barbara area if i recall correctly.
Shaggy
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He might have been asked to be cuffed. Rel works for CHP, so he may have information the public is not privy to.
There is probably a history of confrontations between the two agencies, which I would consider "many moving parts."
There is no LEO bashing or baiting in this forum. Ridiculing public employee pensions or what your tax dollars go towards could be interpreted as just that.
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Montecito and it was Battalion Chief that got cuffed.arty
Found it: CHP Officer Cuffs Montecito Fire Battalion Chief
I like Rel's line "... apparently a lot of moving parts ..." Alpha males, bad day, bad blood, can't think past the adrenaline, etc.
n10sive
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Pretty much this. Fire departments even battle between stations on calls. Cops...county vs city vs state trooper. It's not uncommon to have disagreements on scenes. It's how you deal with them that's important. From the Fire Chief incident, this is important to remember:
Because of this, if the IC says move, you move. Document it and bitch about it later.
warsaw1776
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From my experience in San Diego county as a reserve firefighter, chp didn't care about being IC , or ICS for that matter on these types of calls, and would go about doing their investigation or assisting with traffic control while we worked on the vehicle/patient. They were always very polite and professional with me, and I was with them. That is the key. If they wanted me to move my engine, I would. There were tons of times I asked them to move their cruisers and they did. No issue.
With this incident, I wonder if either realized they were on camera and would have done the same thing if they'd known. Prob never know though. There is a obvious bias against the chp by the media in this case though, which only clouds the situation more.
With this incident, I wonder if either realized they were on camera and would have done the same thing if they'd known. Prob never know though. There is a obvious bias against the chp by the media in this case though, which only clouds the situation more.
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Life/Safety and common sense trumps ICS in certain situations.
I had a dui swing at a CHP Officer at a TC- and the officer went down in the ditch behind him, trying to step back... As soon as the suspect started to charge at him, I was holding the nozzle and well. it accidently opened.
That's inter-agency co-operation!
Who ever declares IC is IC until command is switched, right? I'm rusty on ICS and I know it has been changed... we used to do that on a radio channel called CalCord...
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boney
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That situation here in the Bay Area is colloquially referred to as the "trench of doom" and essentially happened in the manner you described except it was a trench filled with gas. It did indeed happen, and it was in a department where one would not expect such behavior.
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warsaw1776
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Yup. Exactly. I wrote up a whole thing explaining that but deleted it. Haha
Basically first unit to arrive on scene assumes IC if needed. Normally a single car traffic collision doesn't require it. Usually. IC can only be transferred after a formal turn over basically. Personally, I have never seen any LEO be IC. Many times they more or less act in a safety officer role of ICS and report directly to the IC. The IC pretty much must listen for the sake of safety.
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Very understandable
I lived there for a few years...I was the only one getting up and going to work in the morning, in the hood.
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Thanks for the clarification. Your words of a fire being more important than a patient (or at least how I understood it) threw me a bit. In the context of scene safety, yes, it could have priority. I also agree, we don't know what all was happening here and there are MANY variables involved that it is hard to second guess what was happening. For instance...WHY was there a 3rd truck on scene? Was the accident so bad that they called another alarm? If so, then who knows what was in the Captains head when he parked. If it was "hey, we were bored and out shopping for dinner and decided to drop by on the way home", then yes, he was obstructing the scene.
FYI, Our CAD system takes into account access to a scene so sometimes the closest station isn't dispatched if they are on the wrong side of the highway. Another station with easier access (and correct direction) would be sent instead just so a unit does not have to drive past a scene to find a turn around.
Well, in a lot of areas with abundant resources, like where I work now, they can send up to four engine companies for a single accident. This is usually if it's proximity to an offramp or cloverleaf makes it hard to tell which direction it is. Every freeway accident will generally launch two engines coming from opposite directions. This can get escalated to a bigger response even before anyone's made it on scene.
The fact remains, cuffing a fire captain on scene is too much. It's like throwing a big hissy fit. With agencies that are supposed to work together, there has to be a proper channel for conflicts to go through. Granted, the other thing you learn in EMT or medic school is in the end, you have to do what the guy with the gun tells you.
I'm neither a LEO nor an EMT, but that was my first thought. Right or wrong, both have badges, but only one has cuffs.
I hope after these two cool off they can share a beer.
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It's called following chain of command. Other than simple medicals, during size-up of an incident (Fire/TC/HazMat etc.) we would establish an IC and name it...
Now, how to avoid this shit in the future? If you are driving the rig, told to move and you try to get your boss involved (crew Captain or BC) and they need to request management escalation on both sides. Sorry the Chief came out on me.
I've been in these pissing matches... both as a engineer and as a Chief.
Cooler heads prevail when we are all reminded we are all on the same team.
Now CHP's priority is to keep traffic flowing. Fire/EMS our job is to not become a victim and prevent injuries.
Edit: To all my CHP BARF friends- AFAIK you guys have cool heads and this would never happen...
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Tharkûn
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Fwiw I was told it went down like this. Four lanes each way, construction zone is Krailed off in the median. Crash had been moved into the construction zone and trucks were told to move. 2 out of 3 did and the last was blocking the 1 and 2 lane and refused to move. Third hand account
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Shaggy
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^^^ less BARF, more chili stirring fire guy!
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