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CHP arrests fireman in San Diego

what a dick chip, the guys is there is save lives and assist with reopening the roads. If the FD didnt remove the crash victim the road would be blocked until the chip did so. I dont understand this and the officer should be put on leave. If you interfere with a police investigation you get arrested, how about if the chip'r is interfering with the FD role to protect and serve?

Well from what Rel said, they parked their engine on the opposite side of the freeway, meaning they had nothing that needed to be blocked by it. This is unusual and not really the best move if they are simply rendering medical aid on a crash (would make more sense if something were on fire).

I can see a CHP, whose job it is to try and maintain a safe scene while keeping as much traffic flowing as possible would have a problem with them blocking the opposite lane direction as well without much reason (though maybe there was one...we're pretty much in the dark here). What happened from there we don't know, but putting the guy in handcuffs was too much.
 
I've run a lot of freeway and street calls. The truck is there to protect us and even if the truck was parked on the other side of the freeway, getting to the patient quickly is what is important. Driving up to the next exit and then weaving through traffic with your lights/sirens is wasting time. Never had any problems with CHP or local PD understanding this and everyone working together. Agree it sounds like something more was going on. Regardless, unacceptable for CHP to arrest the first responder. If you have a problem, take it up the chain. We are all on the same team in this situation.

Parking the truck on the opposite side when there is nothing to block is needlessly creating more distraction for the drivers on that side of the road and compressing traffic, all things that can lead to more accidents unnecessarily. Getting to the patient quickly is actually far down the list of priorities, the first of which is establishing a safe scene for the providers.
 
So when that firefighter applies for another agency down the road someday, how does he answer "have you ever been detained or arrested"? Well, ya see, uhm, ya know, its like this...
 
Parking the truck on the opposite side when there is nothing to block is needlessly creating more distraction for the drivers on that side of the road and compressing traffic, all things that can lead to more accidents unnecessarily. Getting to the patient quickly is actually far down the list of priorities, the first of which is establishing a safe scene for the providers.

all true but if the patient is needing immediate care then they can park on the moon for all I care as long as they get started with administering treatment. I think there was a brewing beef between these departments and Im sure both could have handled the situation differently but cuffing an on duty fire/medic on scene is pretty piss pore if you ask me
 
The fire truck parked behind an ambulance at the scene according to news reports in San Diego. So the left lane was already blocked.
 
I think we now have enough information to hand down a verdict of GUILTY on all counts.
Btw what were the charges, I need to know before sentencing.
 
Agreed. Cuffing the guy was too much. Once the patient is loaded, there are plenty of channels to go through to work out the issues of where to park.

Clearly there is some history between the FD and CHP in that area since somewhere it mentioned there was a history of "threats of arrest" or something similar. Sounds like they need to have some sort of meeting to get everyone back on the same team.

In both counties I've worked in (Monterey and San Mateo) we've always had great relations with law enforcement and all agencies are out there to watch each other's back and make sure everyone gets home safe. Hell, sometimes on 101 in Prunedale CHP would shut down all lanes in one direction even if not absolutely necessary simply because the drivers were such asshats down there that we were all worried about getting hit.


We have always had a good relationship with the FD. Yes, sometimes personalities may clash from time to time, but the FD is who we call when we get hurt. I believe in handling issues at the lowest level. This is something that should have been handled in the field by field supervisors, not by cuffing a fire engineer-in front of a news crew.
 
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We have always had a good relationship with the FD.

We used to.... Then we crushed them at a charity softball tournament and they've been bitter ever since. :laughing

I've never had a problem with firefighters parking their rigs. I'm all about blocking traffic though. IDGAF if traffic is delayed.

The shit that irritates me is when AMR starts carting people off while I'm still talking to them about the incident. It's like a race to get the patient into the back of the ambulance and then wait another 10 minutes to transport...

Can't you clowns just wait 30 seconds for me to get a statement and then waste all of our tax dollars by transporting the "complaint of pain" driver who will be released from the hospital in half an hour after the ER doc stuffs some ibuprofen down their throat?? :mad


Ok, carry on...
 
Watched the video; seems there was no reason to block the fast lane.

Are you high? The video shows nothing but states the fire engine was blocking the lane because paramedics were tending to the injured.

I see this all the time on freeways and there is nothing dangerous about it. What is dangerous is 2 ton vehicles flying past unprotected people not paying attention to the traffic because they are tending to injured people. That is why a fire truck blocks traffic.
 
We used to.... Then we crushed them at a charity softball tournament and they've been bitter ever since. :laughing

I've never had a problem with firefighters parking their rigs. I'm all about blocking traffic though. IDGAF if traffic is delayed.

The shit that irritates me is when AMR starts carting people off while I'm still talking to them about the incident. It's like a race to get the patient into the back of the ambulance and then wait another 10 minutes to transport...

Can't you clowns just wait 30 seconds for me to get a statement and then waste all of our tax dollars by transporting the "complaint of pain" driver who will be released from the hospital in half an hour after the ER doc stuffs some ibuprofen down their throat?? :mad


Ok, carry on...

Funny, cuz from the ambulance standpoint we hate standing around like a bunch of clowns waiting for an officer to ask a bunch of mundane questions while we are all standing out on the freeway like targets with a patient in full c-spine when our goal is to get the patient boarded and out of there in less than 10 minutes.

Goes to show that everyone has their different priorities at the scene of an accident. Usually we all work it out, but if not just cuff em. :p
 
Are you high? The video shows nothing but states the fire engine was blocking the lane because paramedics were tending to the injured.

I see this all the time on freeways and there is nothing dangerous about it. What is dangerous is 2 ton vehicles flying past unprotected people not paying attention to the traffic because they are tending to injured people. That is why a fire truck blocks traffic.

The accident was well off the roadway, the fire engine could have pulled off the road and provided better cover for the accident scene.

Did you look at it?
 
"This is what happens when unions have too much power." From the Koch Brothers Bible of make everything the unions fault.
 
Go look at the similar thread in the LEO sub-forum. Better info and more relevant discussion by those that actually perform both jobs. :dunno
 
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...This is unusual and not really the best move if they are simply rendering medical aid on a crash (would make more sense if something were on fire)...

Do you work for an ambulance service or a fire department? You do understand the difference between a human life and burning car right? One can be replaced, the other can't.

Maybe I am not understanding your definition or use in your post of "rendering medical aid" but every vehicle accident I have been on we evaluate the mechanism of injury, and often rely on initial radio reports to try and help evaluate what we might encounter on scene. I've heard some stupid shit coming from dispatch from untrained people on scene giving initial reports. You can't really rely on it. Now, if I know I can trust the reports and that they are from an officer I have worked with and trust? I'll listen and take my hairy hair shirt off :laughing

Sometimes the most mundane of accidents to the untrained person might seem like "no big deal," but I have seen people who were walking and talking turn south pretty quickly from unseen internal injuries. So there is ABSOLUTELY the need for trained medical personnel to arrive on scene and evaluate the patients as quickly as possible.

Imagine for a second that the fire truck went to the next exit and came back around to the scene. Imagine that that took another 5-10 minutes and in that time the patient died. Who would be fucked then?

I've been in the right seat of a fire truck. There are a MANY things going through my mind when arriving on the scene. Scene safety, parking, not running people over that might have been ejected, fire and other hazards, and patient access. Hopefully, my decision on where to park offers the maximum protection from oncoming traffic to my crew, but at the same time doesn't cause additional accidents. If that happens, I made a bad decision. But...at the same time, I don't want to have to explain the decisions about my parking to a CHP on a hot scene. We can have that discussion later (and I have had my lectures).

If I arrive at a vehicle fire and it's vacant and fully involved? Fuck it, I'm not saving much, so crew and civilian safety is #1. Putting out the fire would just be training, not saving anyone any money unless there are secondary structures involved.

Most of the arguments I've had with the popo on calls is when they are trying to turf drunks off on me for medical evaluation. I hate that, especially when they are combative (like from domestics) and wind up making me put them in a backboard taco and use up all my duct tape :laughing
 
The accident was well off the roadway, the fire engine could have pulled off the road and provided better cover for the accident scene.

Did you look at it?

Yes, veteran firefighters really don't know anything about rescue work. The Public is so much better informed.
 
I think we now have enough information to hand down a verdict of GUILTY on all counts.
Btw what were the charges, I need to know before sentencing.

Fuck that. Fire them all and take their pensions away.
 
Regardless of who's right or wrong in this situation, I have a sneaky suspicion that the FD guy was a smart ass and the LEO had enough. Even when your right, being a douche about it can cause things to work out poorly for you.
 
Handcuffing an on duty fireman. The very same guys that will roll to save you when some DUI plows into you on a car stop. Yeah, that's real bright...

THIS... ALL THE F'ING WAY..

We had a great relationship with our FD... We did what ever was necessary to help them.

We did have a couple of guys get shot and/or smashed up in crashes and because we worked together.. the officer always got treated first, and got the best treatment.

Ain't no way in hell I would ever screw with the person who might have to work hard to save my life in the middle of some roadway.

This was not smart....
 
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