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CHP arrests fireman in San Diego

Rel,
You as well as Valgar, Beauregard and Weasel reached out to me when I posted in the sink page 3291 of "What are you thinking of right now". I liked what you and Valgar posted about an off switch. Feb 15th is 6 months of keeping the off switch off. And thanks to Beauregard and Weasel too.
 
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BURNROPE said:
Tharkun,
You can do better than that.l
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No, you don't understand, this subforum has it's own set of rules that I've let lax since John has taken a break. I gave you some insight to how things work at a crash and you pick up an unrelated part and turn it into an anti police and fire jab, that shit doesn't fly here. If you can't control yourself here you won't be allowed to post here
 
I apologize. I did not intend to offend anybody. I didn't realize you were special.
 
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BURNROPE said:
Rel,
In one post you suggest the fireman asked to be cuffed, which I have seen reported nowhere and I'm from San Diego and have LEO relatives. In another post you state that "There are apparently a lot of moving parts to this story. I have no idea why either party did what they did.".
What's with the easy now you're on the LEO forum? Am I in danger of getting booted off for a week?
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Yes, apparently that was said. That was some of the original comments made, from what I heard through the grapevine....
 
BURNROPE said:
Yeah dude. I thought I could freely express myself on this sub-forum and I was informed that I shouldn't. So I apologized. Besides having my wife blow you what would satisfy you?
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:facepalm
 
n10sive said:
Do you work for an ambulance service or a fire department? You do understand the difference between a human life and burning car right? One can be replaced, the other can't.

Maybe I am not understanding your definition or use in your post of "rendering medical aid" but every vehicle accident I have been on we evaluate the mechanism of injury, and often rely on initial radio reports to try and help evaluate what we might encounter on scene. I've heard some stupid shit coming from dispatch from untrained people on scene giving initial reports. You can't really rely on it. Now, if I know I can trust the reports and that they are from an officer I have worked with and trust? I'll listen and take my hairy hair shirt off :laughing

Sometimes the most mundane of accidents to the untrained person might seem like "no big deal," but I have seen people who were walking and talking turn south pretty quickly from unseen internal injuries. So there is ABSOLUTELY the need for trained medical personnel to arrive on scene and evaluate the patients as quickly as possible.

Imagine for a second that the fire truck went to the next exit and came back around to the scene. Imagine that that took another 5-10 minutes and in that time the patient died. Who would be fucked then?

I've been in the right seat of a fire truck. There are a MANY things going through my mind when arriving on the scene. Scene safety, parking, not running people over that might have been ejected, fire and other hazards, and patient access. Hopefully, my decision on where to park offers the maximum protection from oncoming traffic to my crew, but at the same time doesn't cause additional accidents. If that happens, I made a bad decision. But...at the same time, I don't want to have to explain the decisions about my parking to a CHP on a hot scene. We can have that discussion later (and I have had my lectures).

If I arrive at a vehicle fire and it's vacant and fully involved? Fuck it, I'm not saving much, so crew and civilian safety is #1. Putting out the fire would just be training, not saving anyone any money unless there are secondary structures involved.

Most of the arguments I've had with the popo on calls is when they are trying to turf drunks off on me for medical evaluation. I hate that, especially when they are combative (like from domestics) and wind up making me put them in a backboard taco and use up all my duct tape :laughing
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I think you missed my point. Obviously people need care rendered. However, day one in first responder school, then EMT-B school, then paramedic school the order of importance is always given, and the actual patient falls somewhere down around #4, after yourself, your crew and your equipment. Thus making a hasty decision to park your vehicle in an unwise place is a mistake, even if it gets you to the patient a few seconds faster. This is akin to the old story (not sure if fictional or not) where a firefighter gets electrocuted by live wires on the ground after approaching a car into a pole. Another crew member sees him down and runs in to try and grab him and also gets electrocuted. The third crew member may or may not have the brains to consider if the scene is safe and to evaluate for what he can do to secure it before entering.

Either way, none of us really know what happened in this particular case or whether it was justified or not. Yes, I work on an ambulance (well, an SUV at the moment). In 10 years of full time 911 calls, I have never seen a fire engine stop on the opposite side of the freeway of an accident and block traffic so they could get out and attend a patient on the other side of the barrier (and I spent years working on a section of 101 referred to as "blood alley"). That's why I say it's an uncommon move, and barring rare circumstances (such as nobody else on scene and a car on fire with someone in it) there would be no reason to do it.
 
BURNROPE said:
Yeah dude. I thought I could freely express myself on this sub-forum and I was informed that I shouldn't. So I apologized. Besides having my wife blow you what would satisfy you?
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Again?
 
lol I like the part that says do you think your special! lol being a mod would fall into that category so I'll answer for him, yes he is special because being a mod he makes it so we can chat chat about a fireman and a cop having beef, now this is starting to build a plot for a new YMCA dance video!
 
Tharkûn said:
The actual reality is there are VERY few accident scenes where seconds or even minutes matter. No exaggeration 99 out of 100 times there is always a very lackadaisical attitude of everyone one scene, only if someone is missing a limb or not breathing does shit move quick, and that's exceedingly rare.

The drama of this is overblown, dude wanted to be a douche and not move his truck and the other douche called his bluff, that's what happens when douches collide. Dudes a captain, he's not about to go hands on with a patient even if they were the first and only rig on scene
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Please show some respect in the LEO forum.


This is giving me a major case of deja vu. Didn't the exact same thing happen in CA elsewhere in the last few years?
 
danate said:
I think you missed my point. Obviously people need care rendered. However, day one in first responder school, then EMT-B school, then paramedic school the order of importance is always given, and the actual patient falls somewhere down around #4, after yourself, your crew and your equipment. Thus making a hasty decision to park your vehicle in an unwise place is a mistake, even if it gets you to the patient a few seconds faster. This is akin to the old story (not sure if fictional or not) where a firefighter gets electrocuted by live wires on the ground after approaching a car into a pole. Another crew member sees him down and runs in to try and grab him and also gets electrocuted. The third crew member may or may not have the brains to consider if the scene is safe and to evaluate for what he can do to secure it before entering.

Either way, none of us really know what happened in this particular case or whether it was justified or not. Yes, I work on an ambulance (well, an SUV at the moment). In 10 years of full time 911 calls, I have never seen a fire engine stop on the opposite side of the freeway of an accident and block traffic so they could get out and attend a patient on the other side of the barrier (and I spent years working on a section of 101 referred to as "blood alley"). That's why I say it's an uncommon move, and barring rare circumstances (such as nobody else on scene and a car on fire with someone in it) there would be no reason to do it.
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Thanks for the clarification. Your words of a fire being more important than a patient (or at least how I understood it) threw me a bit. In the context of scene safety, yes, it could have priority. I also agree, we don't know what all was happening here and there are MANY variables involved that it is hard to second guess what was happening. For instance...WHY was there a 3rd truck on scene? Was the accident so bad that they called another alarm? If so, then who knows what was in the Captains head when he parked. If it was "hey, we were bored and out shopping for dinner and decided to drop by on the way home", then yes, he was obstructing the scene. :dunno

FYI, Our CAD system takes into account access to a scene so sometimes the closest station isn't dispatched if they are on the wrong side of the highway. Another station with easier access (and correct direction) would be sent instead just so a unit does not have to drive past a scene to find a turn around.
 
I'd remind folks to take media reports with a grain of salt. By the time they get done, it will be the Chula Fire Chief & CHP Commissioner that were on scene...
 
BURNROPE said:
Yeah dude. I thought I could freely express myself on this sub-forum and I was informed that I shouldn't. So I apologized. Besides having my wife blow you what would satisfy you?
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You were wrong, you cannot freely express yourself here.

BURNROPE has lost his ability to post in the LEO forum. Anyone else wants to push the limits can take it to the kitchen sink or get the same result
 
NorCalBusa said:
I'd remind folks to take media reports with a grain of salt. By the time they get done, it will be the Chula Fire Chief & CHP Commissioner that were on scene...
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THIS ^. I'm close to someone who's often interviewed for print and televised media reports. More often than not, the facts are almost ALWAYS reported incorrectly, misquoted, or are missing details that would provide viewers with meaningful context.
 
danate said:
Agreed. Cuffing the guy was too much. Once the patient is loaded, there are plenty of channels to go through to work out the issues of where to park.

Clearly there is some history between the FD and CHP in that area since somewhere it mentioned there was a history of "threats of arrest" or something similar. Sounds like they need to have some sort of meeting to get everyone back on the same team.

In both counties I've worked in (Monterey and San Mateo) we've always had great relations with law enforcement and all agencies are out there to watch each other's back and make sure everyone gets home safe. Hell, sometimes on 101 in Prunedale CHP would shut down all lanes in one direction even if not absolutely necessary simply because the drivers were such asshats down there that we were all worried about getting hit.
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Very understandable :thumbup Prunedale has to be asshat central.
I lived there for a few years...I was the only one getting up and going to work in the morning, in the hood. :laughing
 
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