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Concealed Carry Logic
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SuperSixFour
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They were purchased legally for them by a friend at a gun show.
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masameet
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Which reminds me.
A few weeks back the LA Times had a story of some poor guy being found with an arrow in his chest.
Archery works too!
A few weeks back the LA Times had a story of some poor guy being found with an arrow in his chest.
Archery works too!
soybean
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Purchased legally via a proxy(Robyn Anderson).
Your theory is bunk. Most of these shooting were done by folks who did not have a violent criminal activity record and up to the instant they started shooting they were the "law abiding citizens" you speak of. Without guns, these guys would just be Emos who would have left this world crying after slitting their wrists.
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oh for the love of ceiling cat, it was meant to be sarcastic. tongue in cheek even. "yo!"
a person out to make a problem for someone else is likely to pick an easy target- their point, such as the school shootings, is to create as much carnage as possible in the shortest amount of time with the least risk to self. we've had these conversations here before. mass shooters don't walk into gun expos and start blasting away. they pick places they know no one is going to shoot back.
and if you think taking away guns- ALL of them, would stop firearms violence, think again. the knowledge is already there, what would it take for someone to begin manufacturing their own? even if they didn't, how hard is it to make an explosive out of common household materials?
are you going to outlaw everything that could be used as a weapon? better start living in a bubble then bc ANYTHING can be used as a weapon. The Israeli Mosad teaches that in the right circumstances, the elbow or heel of your hand can kill faster than a bullet.
when the criminals can't readily identify who is a potential victim and who isn't, less personal violent crimes are likely to occur. It's been proven time and time again CCW's save lives.
you want to stop accidental shootings in homes? more education, better trigger locks, etc- there ARE answers that don't include banning guns.
I'm not against guns at all. I carry one everywhere I go legally. And no my theory wanst BUNK. I would never go shooting up a mall, school, etc. I am a law abiding citizen. I guess we have different definitions of those words. But I understand where your coming from M.
zefflyn
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You say that like it's a bad thing. Do you have any idea how many of those killings were justified? Or do you feel there's no such thing as a justifiable homicide, or self-defense?
It was actually a study conducted by Arthur Kellerman, and it has already been widely discredited. But don't let that affect your world view.
soybean
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You say that like it's a bad thing. Do you have any idea how many of those killings were justified? Or do you feel there's no such thing as a justifiable homicide, or self-defense?
It was actually a study conducted by Arthur Kellerman, and it has already been widely discredited. But don't let that affect your world view.
Debunked by who? Where are there peer review findings? I've gone through the links on the first page and find nothing credible aside from one essay by a P.h.D. who I am having a hard time finding background on.
Is the study flawed? Quite possibly and probably most likely however show me the credible peer review.
In my honest and humble opinion:
Gun violence is born of the "insecure" and angry.
Hear me out before you flame. It's just an opinion. I used quotes around insecure because I couldn't think of a better single word to describe what I'm thinking of.
In my twisted and 60's styled altered little mind, caveman days started with throwing rocks and spears. (actually, when I was a kid, I remember throwing rocks when I was angry, so let's start there instead.)
So my own thought process brings me from throwing mud, to rock, to something harder than rocks...little chunks of metal.
The delivery system, went from hand-thrown, to sling, etc., to being propelled out of a rifled barrel in a spin stablized flight path.
See? step one: going from throwing rocks to shooting in three easy (mis-guided) steps.
Ok, as to my opinion as to why we do it:
Anger, weakness, insecurity, superiority/inferiority complex (not us as a people, but the government), etc. Again, don't get me wrong, I am Patriotic and I love my Country. I just don't agree with some of the directions that my peers in government try and push us into.
America, while seen as a super power, can also be seen as cops of the world, and/or bullies. What can I say, everyone in the world is given an opinion? That's how some of them see us.
My question to myself, is what is the gun violence rate in places like say....Switzerland? Or Amsterdam? Or even closer to home, how about Humbolt?
How many violent acts, in general, have occurred where alcohol was involved? Coke? Crack?
How much violence was waged during the Prohibition era? Specifically in Chicago? Generally in America?
In general, what could happen when a person drinks? Chests get bigger? Kawks get longer? Attitude comes into play? "Watch this" syndrom becomes apparant(?).
Posturing, marking their terratory, possesiveness, lewdness, etc all that shit comes out of the human creature in a state of intoxication.
What happens when someone pokes smot? (I usually order Round Table. But that's just me) "Hungry, Happy, Sleepy" ~ The three side effects according to Kat Williams
And while plants like the above are illegal, alcohol can be had from any corner store. Now my opinion toes the line of conspiracy, but I truely believe because of this, Americans may be more inclined toward violence, than passive shit.
"Insecure" and angry is what I initially posted. When I was a kid, I was made to play football. I watched John Wayne movies. I knew that Hulk Hogan was to be my hero, and the Iron Sheik and Nikolai Volkoff were the bad guys.
Since childhood, I have been inundated with having to be on the winning side. Being the winner says you will be rewarded. Losers are laughed at, seen as inferior. (kinda reminds me of arguing on the internet *shrug*)
So here is where I tie my ramblings. Human nature may lend itself to being a winner by throwing the bigger or better rock. Had to. If you didn't throw the rock better, the sabre tooth tiger would get you. If you didn't throw the rock better, the bully would get you. The rush one gets from overcoming their opponant. Being the winner, being the victor. Why do some hunters hunt? For food? Not in America jack. We got safeway's, railey's, and there's Fud Ruckers and Cabella's if you want "exotic" meats. Nope, they go on hunts for the thrill, or to "test their strength or prowess". (ok, so the above is not entirely true, mostly cause I love a deep fried turkey, and venison steaks.)
But you have to admit that some of these fuwkers do it, just to have them stuffed and mounted.
Why do people get car-jacked? Why do kids get pocket-checked for their "milk-money"? Or their shoes? Or their street affiliation?
With or without guns, those that need to prey will do so. With guns available to everyone, it allows those of us a CHOICE to carry one. Admittedly, not everyone should have a gun. (like this guy)
But it gives us a choice. Oh, and I'm pro-choice. Not because I'm femme, not because I'm a pansy. It's just cause I don't care. Do what y'all wanna do. Give people a choice. It'll be up to them to deal with the consequences. No one else, just them. Fuckin tree huggers ~ Eric Cartman
Gun violence is born of the "insecure" and angry.
Hear me out before you flame. It's just an opinion. I used quotes around insecure because I couldn't think of a better single word to describe what I'm thinking of.
In my twisted and 60's styled altered little mind, caveman days started with throwing rocks and spears. (actually, when I was a kid, I remember throwing rocks when I was angry, so let's start there instead.)
So my own thought process brings me from throwing mud, to rock, to something harder than rocks...little chunks of metal.
The delivery system, went from hand-thrown, to sling, etc., to being propelled out of a rifled barrel in a spin stablized flight path.
See? step one: going from throwing rocks to shooting in three easy (mis-guided) steps.
Ok, as to my opinion as to why we do it:
Anger, weakness, insecurity, superiority/inferiority complex (not us as a people, but the government), etc. Again, don't get me wrong, I am Patriotic and I love my Country. I just don't agree with some of the directions that my peers in government try and push us into.
America, while seen as a super power, can also be seen as cops of the world, and/or bullies. What can I say, everyone in the world is given an opinion? That's how some of them see us.
My question to myself, is what is the gun violence rate in places like say....Switzerland? Or Amsterdam? Or even closer to home, how about Humbolt?
How many violent acts, in general, have occurred where alcohol was involved? Coke? Crack?
How much violence was waged during the Prohibition era? Specifically in Chicago? Generally in America?
In general, what could happen when a person drinks? Chests get bigger? Kawks get longer? Attitude comes into play? "Watch this" syndrom becomes apparant(?).
Posturing, marking their terratory, possesiveness, lewdness, etc all that shit comes out of the human creature in a state of intoxication.
What happens when someone pokes smot? (I usually order Round Table. But that's just me) "Hungry, Happy, Sleepy" ~ The three side effects according to Kat Williams
And while plants like the above are illegal, alcohol can be had from any corner store. Now my opinion toes the line of conspiracy, but I truely believe because of this, Americans may be more inclined toward violence, than passive shit.
"Insecure" and angry is what I initially posted. When I was a kid, I was made to play football. I watched John Wayne movies. I knew that Hulk Hogan was to be my hero, and the Iron Sheik and Nikolai Volkoff were the bad guys.
Since childhood, I have been inundated with having to be on the winning side. Being the winner says you will be rewarded. Losers are laughed at, seen as inferior. (kinda reminds me of arguing on the internet *shrug*)
So here is where I tie my ramblings. Human nature may lend itself to being a winner by throwing the bigger or better rock. Had to. If you didn't throw the rock better, the sabre tooth tiger would get you. If you didn't throw the rock better, the bully would get you. The rush one gets from overcoming their opponant. Being the winner, being the victor. Why do some hunters hunt? For food? Not in America jack. We got safeway's, railey's, and there's Fud Ruckers and Cabella's if you want "exotic" meats. Nope, they go on hunts for the thrill, or to "test their strength or prowess". (ok, so the above is not entirely true, mostly cause I love a deep fried turkey, and venison steaks.)
But you have to admit that some of these fuwkers do it, just to have them stuffed and mounted.
Why do people get car-jacked? Why do kids get pocket-checked for their "milk-money"? Or their shoes? Or their street affiliation?
With or without guns, those that need to prey will do so. With guns available to everyone, it allows those of us a CHOICE to carry one. Admittedly, not everyone should have a gun. (like this guy)
But it gives us a choice. Oh, and I'm pro-choice. Not because I'm femme, not because I'm a pansy. It's just cause I don't care. Do what y'all wanna do. Give people a choice. It'll be up to them to deal with the consequences. No one else, just them. Fuckin tree huggers ~ Eric Cartman
"... but I think the gun helps"
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serazin
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Just about sums it up for me.
Ogier le Danois
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http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/embar.html
Read it, and then think that even the liberals at American University Washington school of law can't fight the logic.
Read it, and then think that even the liberals at American University Washington school of law can't fight the logic.
tuxumino
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more people are killed by cars in this country then guns, yet no one wants to outlaw cars, except those crazy motorcyclists. Cars are regulated and licensed as are the operators, why can't guns be the same way?
the problem I see with the anti-gun movement is it has led to a mystification of the gun, instead of being a tool it's become a penis extension or some strange alien artifact. It hasn't helped that in large part our society has embraced this mystification, beliveing that just possesing the gun will some how render one safe or tougher.
If we veiw the gun as a tool then like every other tool it would take training and practice to become proficient with it.
If I were king of this country I would make rifle marksmanship a required course in highschool. just like drivers ed.
the problem I see with the anti-gun movement is it has led to a mystification of the gun, instead of being a tool it's become a penis extension or some strange alien artifact. It hasn't helped that in large part our society has embraced this mystification, beliveing that just possesing the gun will some how render one safe or tougher.
If we veiw the gun as a tool then like every other tool it would take training and practice to become proficient with it.
If I were king of this country I would make rifle marksmanship a required course in highschool. just like drivers ed.
ha I usually stay clear from gun arguments since I am not anti-gun or pro-gun per se, but I think you echo the thoughts that are often going through the back of my mind.
Guns are indeed a specific type of tool that, with training and practice, has a definite utility in a variety of circumstances. They are also, simply put, fun to talk about and fun to shoot.
That being said, the utility of carrying concealed full-time is, for most people, extremely low; the chance of actually needing that weapon for defense, and that chance that if that weapon were used it would end in a favorable outcome, are so ridiculously low that it would be hard for any reasonable person to make an argument that the tangible benefits outweigh the rather large drawback of having to carry a big piece of lead everywhere in your pocket.
If we adopted this same sort of passionate level of risk consciousness in all areas of life, we'd all be dumping 15% into our retirement accounts, learning CPR, and carrying medical kits in our cars; and probably reaping greater aggregate social benefit because of it than if we all carried firearms.
But we don't do these things, and thats because the argument for ccw on the basis of risk prevention is, for most people at least, only a thinly veiled facade that provides cover for their real feelings, which are much more id-like: to carry because deep down they have this Wyatt Earp fantasy of confronting a bad guy and, as a poster above so eloquently phrased it, "putting two in the chest and one in the head".
No one is going to blame you for your cute little super hero fantasies, we've all watched a lot of movies so its easy to see where that comes from, but to hide that perspective by cloaking it in language like "a polite society is an armed one" is to engage in social debate under mostly fraudulent pretense.
oh man...
I actually do those things (10% though, not 15%) and I have three bug out rucks. One for my wife, one for me at the house, and one in my car. I want mine because I use to work housing authority, and have been followed home and have been threatened. I've worked in places where people have come into the place of business with a fully loaded glock in their waist band and I've had to pull my firearm and prone him out until PD arrived. (And I'm not law enforcement. It's complicated.)
Bottom line is, 98% of the general public may never need to use a firearm. Seriously, I hope no one ever has to, but the sad truth is, that when they do, it never turns out good. They're still alive, incarcerated, but alive. So I guess that kinda makes it, "pick your poison" eh?
I think it's great we have a forum like BARF where we can all share our opinions.
I said it before in another thread:
The topics never to discuss-
Politics
Religion
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people that work in shady places have good reason to carry. I used to work in a business that carried alot of cash and had a clientele base that was poor and, at times, prone to potentially violent outlashes. Looking back, I wish I had had a concealed weapon.
Now I do IT consulting and I can't for the life of me see any reason why I would want to concealed carry. I hate carrying my cell phone in my pocket, I would be even more irritated if I had to hump around a handgun.
Now I do IT consulting and I can't for the life of me see any reason why I would want to concealed carry. I hate carrying my cell phone in my pocket, I would be even more irritated if I had to hump around a handgun.
