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cpr performed on motorcyclist just outside of motogp exit

Rel said:
Hey, only 36 posts before it was the cops fault.
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Get over yourself.
I didn't say it was the cops' fault. But, in the interest of SAFETY and getting people back to where they started, it would have been EASY to have traffic turn left and/or put another officer out there, if only to chase down speeders and give them tickets. :rolleyes
 
I am betting that next year, something different will be done. It is terrible that individual people can foresee these types of incidents, however a group of people can't do something about it to help prevent it.
 
Tharkûn said:
Nope, only 5

RIP to the rider. Terrible situation.
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Sorry, I missed it.

clutchslip said:
Get over yourself.
I didn't say it was the cops' fault. But, in the interest of SAFETY and getting people back to where they started, it would have been EASY to have traffic turn left and/or put another officer out there, if only to chase down speeders and give them tickets. :rolleyes
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In the interest of safety, had cops been there directing traffic, at some point traffic would still have been stopped for the motorcycles. In which case, the person who rear ended the stopped motorcycles would have still rear ended the motorcycles.

How about placing blame on the rider who rear ended the stopped motorcycles rather then trying to find blame with others.
 
Rel said:
Sorry, I missed it.



In the interest of safety, had cops been there directing traffic, at some point traffic would still have been stopped for the motorcycles. In which case, the person who rear ended the stopped motorcycles would have still rear ended the motorcycles.

How about placing blame on the rider who rear ended the stopped motorcycles rather then trying to find blame with others.
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Who is NOT placing blame on the riders? WHO? You read with subjective eyes. I stated that U-turns are something that I avoid. And bikes stopped in the middle of the road is moronic.

The U.S. Army is responsible for protecting our nation. That doesn't mean I think it is their fault for 911. Do you?
 
:rip rider. Very sad end to a great weekend. My thoughts go out to the rider's family and all affected by this horrible crash.

I have to say, that without casting blame but trying to look for improvements for the future, there should be plentiful signs inside the circuit directing riders and drivers to the correct exit to use for either a Seaside (68W) or Salinas (68E) departure.

I had the opposite probelm when I left through the workers gate. There was no advance warning - it was only when I got to the exit that I found I had to go right onto 68W (no left). This was not the way I intended to go home, but I just went with the flow and took 68W->1->9->280 home, instead of 68E -> 101.

Although the rear ending rider was clearly "at fault" for the collision, let's eliminate the confusion next year by getting people out of the circuit through the correct exit for their intended direction of travel. When there are 1000's of bikes leaving and some of those trying to make iffy U-turns to get where they want to go, then it only takes a lapse of concentration by 1 rider (tired, n00b or whatever) to cause a tragedy like this.

Let's not have a repeat.
 
What the cops created or failed to remedy was alot of confusion created by there exit stategy . Just because someone got asspacked doesn't always mean the asspacker was at fault. Rel I am sure in your eyes cops can do no wrong and played no part in the accident. Your theory blows because there would have been no oncoming traffic to knock the other rider into there for no fatality, so in retrospect the cop stopping people would have saved a life and only caused a minor accident.:twofinger

:rip
 
clutchslip said:
Who is NOT placing blame on the riders? WHO? You read with subjective eyes. I stated that U-turns are something that I avoid. And bikes stopped in the middle of the road is moronic.

The U.S. Army is responsible for protecting our nation. That doesn't mean I think it is their fault for 911. Do you?
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The military is NOT responsible for protecting our nation, they are responsible or DEFENDING our nation.

There is a huge difference between protecting and defending.

As for 911, that is a whole other thread....
 
I'm still having a really hard time understanding why LEO have any blame in this whatsoever. Personally I think the cops were doing the riders a favor by being out there directing traffic.

The blames should lays squarely with the riders. Figure it out. Folks need to realize and accept that sometimes you have to go slow on a bike.
 
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Things could have been handled better at the motorcycle exit. For an event that size, there should have been more officers directing traffic and providing a means for people who needed to go to the left to do so, or to send them out a different exit (from the parking lot) that would have led them in the direction they wanted to end up going.

The fact that a bunch of people needed to pull a u-turn in a dangerous place to do so should have been an good indication that traffic control could be improved.

In a perfect world, the people coordinating the traffic flow should have been notified of the situation and gotten more assets (officers) over there to remedy the situation.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that motorcycle race fans coming out of the races and going in the direction of others who are pulling u-turns creates a situation that has plenty of potential to turn tragic.

I don't blame the individual officers who were there directing traffic (though if they were aware of the u-turns down the road, had an opportunity to radio in the situation and didn't, I would be less supportive of them), but the overall plan was not a good one and somebody should have been ready to adapt to the situation.
 
And perhaps not doing 60 past a group of motorcycles stopped in the other direction would have helped prevent this accident. I've said it a million times and I'll say a million more before I go, everyone slow the fuck down when there is any chance of cross traffic. May not avoid the accident, but it'll probably be less serious. My biggest pet peeve of motorcyclists is how many of us fly past potential threats as if we were alone on a track. Watching riders in suburban settings reminds me how few people really know how to ride a moto defensively.
 
Karbon said:
I'm still having a really hard time understanding why LEO hand any blame in this whatsoever. Personally I think the cops were doing the riders a favor by being out there directing traffic.

The blames should lays squarely with the riders. Figure it out. Folks need to realize and accept that sometimes you have to go slow on a bike.
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Sorry, but you simply don't release 10's of thousands of race fans onto the streets on their own without tragedies occurring.

Every single racing venue knows this and hires LEO's to handle the traffic. They weren't 'doing the riders a favor', they were doing their job.

The trick is to know the crowds, know where they want to get and come up with a plan the minimizes the chances of situations like people wanting to pull u-turns just down the road from the exit from becoming necessary.

The plan had a flaw and by that time it could have been remedies by the people in charge (not the individual officers).
 
I was in my cager yesterday and left the event around 5pm.. man there was alot of traffic... took me about 2 and 1/2 hours to get back to san jose... lane splitters were crazy... going at least 20mph... and redlining their engines while passing by.... f'en annoying...

I agree, riders should slow down...

RIP Rider
 
Climber said:
Sorry, but you simply don't release 10's of thousands of race fans onto the streets on their own without tragedies occurring.

Every single racing venue knows this and hires LEO's to handle the traffic. They weren't 'doing the riders a favor', they were doing their job.

The trick is to know the crowds, know where they want to get and come up with a plan the minimizes the chances of situations like people wanting to pull u-turns just down the road from the exit from becoming necessary.

The plan had a flaw and by that time it could have been remedies by the people in charge (not the individual officers).
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I hear you, but at some point people need to take responsibility for their own decisions and actions or stay off the road. There is no need to make a U turn and nobody has a right to a perfect exit route from a venue. Such logic makes me think of the douchebag in the far left lane who suddenly realizes their exit is 50 feet away and decides to swerve across four lanes of traffic and risk everyone's life rather than just go to the next exit and double back.

And lost in all this discussion is the whole accident wasn't even caused by the U-turn. It was caused by an inattentive rider.
 
They didnt go there out of the kindness of there heart .....they went to get paid . When you are getting paid to do a job you are gonna get some critisism. Serve and protect......that means "hey this exit strategy could be potentially unsafe maybe I should get the fuck out of my car and off my ass and direct traffic and advise riders and drivers of wtf is going on !" Was it the riders fault ? Maybe . We don't know what exactly happened and asuming makes an ass out of you and me. Does that means cops can setup or approve exit strategys and recieve no credit when they fail to protect ? Its a tough job being a cop and the only ones who will be pissed about this comment are the ones who sat in there cars. They where sitting when we went by just after the gp. If they where all volunteers it would be a different story.
 
94900rrsquid said:
I was in my cager yesterday and left the event around 5pm.. man there was alot of traffic... took me about 2 and 1/2 hours to get back to san jose... lane splitters were crazy... going at least 20mph... and redlining their engines while passing by.... f'en annoying...

I agree, riders should slow down...

RIP Rider
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What sort of bike redlines at 20mph? A ninja250?
 
Rel said:
How about placing blame on the rider who rear ended the stopped motorcycles rather then trying to find blame with others.
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Hold on there one goddam minute dude; you are on a motorcycle forum. :nerd
 
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